Manipulating a universe down to its components atoms and materializing it in your hand is a bit more than just holding something in your hand, hence the significance placed on Jeans feat.
However youre right, you could understandably interpret that What If scene as suggestive of a greater authority. Thats not in doubt, all im saying is that whilst he is held in such high regard and his role gives him authority of all, feats wise hes lacking.
You got a link to this megaverse thing, the forum search function isnt working for me
Be careful bringing up What If's when dealing with the PF and the LT.
Sure he held the PF in his hands, I can hold a grenade in my hands too. But if it goes off, I'm pretty much dead.
Bringing in that What If showing as if the LT >>>>>>>>>>>>> PF means you validate all other What If showing of the LT and the PF.
We have the PF destroying whole universes in What If's effortlessly. Then again we have the LT running with his tail between his legs from Korvac.
The best power output we've seen from him was from that What If issue with Korvac where his "ultimate punishment" was making a star go nova. We've seen DP do that very thing in 616 and Rachel/Necrom do WAY WAY more than that too.
High or low showings, he remains the same character. Destroynig universes shouldnt be beyond the scope of the phoenix in principle either, it is the one supposed to end and recreate the cosmos after all. This doesnt mean the PF can simply decide tol finish a given Eternity, let alone Multieternity, regardless of surrounding circumstances.
One decribes multiverse clusters as megaverses, and the other states he oversees reality clusters including the one humans inhabit - so one could conclude he watchs over several multiverses making up the marvel megaverse (in this case the omniverse would include DC, etc) or that he wathces over several megaverses that make up a marvel omniverse, which is how I view it
No one was denying that LT is the same being throughout the multiverse, Zopzop was just making the point that because he is the same, he has low showings throughout existence that make him look inferior to lower powers such as the Korvac situation which count.
Also i believe youve misunderstood the term megaverse, in fact much of that paragraph youve shown in that scan.
A megaverse is a universe from a multiverse outside of the 616 multiverse, which doesnt share the same cosmic hierarchy as 616 and its divergents Earths, but is more closely linked to Marvel than any other multiverse such as DC.
This would therefore include the New Universe and Marvels Shadowline. Here is a link from the handbook writers that will help you to understand it better-
Yes it does and thats exactly what Jean Grey did with not just a reality, but a timeline the Phoenix Consciousness deemed unhealthy for the multiverse within the New X-men series.
The Phoenix empowers its avatars to manipulate the entire matter of universes within the palm of their hands, to cut timelines and then regrow a more desirable future via event manipulation.
The Phoenix Force is conclusively greater than Eternity, however it appears it comes under LT's jurisdiction, however the Force has far greater feats of power.
I posted both interpretations of megaverse. The idea that all marvel crap is a megaverse and that it along with DC and would make up an omniverse would have some basis in handbook quotes that seem to reference the marvel vs dc travesty, the brothers etc. It may just be an older term for omniverse though.
As I see it:
All divergent timelines that are variations of one another make up a multiverse, a collection of multiverses with similar abstract concepts make up a megaverse and the collections of megaverses (each one with radically distinct abstratcs), make up the omniverse.
Nah. Marvels multiverse is the core universe along with its divergent realities.
Other Marvel properties that dont fit into the Marvel multiverse such as the New Universe and Shadowline make up Megaverses. Universe outside Marvels multiverse but they are more closely linked to Marvel than any other multiverse.
Thats the point which i had issue with. Its not, it doesnt say that in the handbooks or on the site of the handbook writers. Both of those two sources have a consistent explanation of a megaverse.
Marvel.com is full of fan contributions as i said i could potentially go on there and write content. In no official marvel publication has it been stated that a megaverse is anything other realms outside marvels multiverse but still belonging to marvel. Nowhere.
Sounds to me like some fan contributor misunderstood the official definitions given by the handbook writers and posted what you quoted.
The chicks ultimate output is a botched reality alteration brought about with the help of Xaviers powers and able to be seen through by Wolverine. She's no Phoenix, no Eternity, shes not even cosmic cube level.
However what youve done is post the incorrect statement and then linked to the marvunapp site as if it supports it.
It doesnt.
The statement about a megaverse being bigger is not supported in the handbooks or on marvunapp.
As i said previously, its is a term for realms and universes depicted in Marvel properties such as the New Universe which are outside the main multiverse we're familiar with.
You posted the fan statement about the megaverse being bigger alongside the official statement from the handbooks and marvunapp. This fan has obviously misunderstood the part where it breaks down the meaning of megaverse and explains that mega means bigger and therefore the term encompasses a bigger grouping of Marvels properties as opposed to multiverse which covers 616 and its divergent realities.
THAT is where the misunderstanding has come from. Marvunapp and the handbooks have never ever stated a megaverse is bigger. A contributor has after reading their definition has.
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