So that's what the smell is that comes out of the pages of X-books these days...those X-writers specialize in selling the most inconsistent, incoherent, self-aggrandizing bullshit in the comic book industry. Sometimes I think these books are written soley to flagellate the author.
Nothing more pathetic than a bunch of snot-nosed mutants, constantly whining about having cool powers.
No surprise that kiddies love that kind of shit...as would anyone with an IQ less than that of an earthworm that goes to special school.
I dont believe that to be the case at all Nataku especially when evidence that points to the contrary. The current idea behind Phoenix was the original idea, it was accepted by all and it made sense, it was based on real world theories. Back then it was far from cliched. It was nice to fantasise that we as a species have within us the genetic potential to transcend the parameters set by the physical and the boundaries of reality and evolve into beings that control our own destiny. Theres nothing wrong with that concept. It was executed well. The only reason the 86 retcon happened (where they made the firebird a seperate entity which posessed people) was because the writers of X factor wanted Jean on the team and they could hardly have a mass murderer on the roster. Therefore they retconned the phoenix connection with Jean which allowed the force to take all responsibility for the deaths. This idea wasnt convincing at all. However its the one thats been in place while most of you were growing up therefore some of you were resistant to the recent reversion or deemed it stupid because its a break from the familiar, that which you are comfortable with. The reversion back to the original concept began gradually in Excalibur way before the recent superhero movie craze it wasnt a sales ploy. The original idea behind Phoenix was just an interesting concept which had been slept on for 17 years. Grant Morrison is a major fan of the omega point theory (it influences a lot of his work as does Kaballah) look at the "invisibles" for example. He saw the waste of an interesting concept and he rectified the situation. His interpretation incorporated elements of the retcon and the original idea making the transition smooth and seamless. Phoenixes reversion hasnt messed up with the order of the marvel universe you all know. Look at the "The End". Where was Phoenix? Exactly. Phoenix is dedicated to the continuation of the cycle of creation. The death or domination of a reality (as is the aim of many a being behind all of Marvels big cosmic sagas) is irrelevant. Phoenix just isnt around and when she is its as a powered down Jean Grey so whats the problem?
Nataku i speak the way that i speak. I dont use any big words or complex terms pretentiously or unnecessarily so if you have a problem with that then you're at fault there son deal with it. The praise and acceptance of a self proclaimed tyrant on a comic book forum doesnt rate highly on my list of priorities. If i disagree with what someone says i'll post a reply i do not require your blessing to do so. I will do it regardless so do not worry yourself with how i conduct myself on this forum. Instead concern yourself with the content of your posts. I personally thought the recent Namor and SS series was garbage so i wasnt at all surprised they didnt sell. At the end of the day Marvel first and foremost is a business its there to make money. That comes before anything else. However just because a storyline or concept you dislike is pushed to prominence doesnt necessarily make it a cycnical sales ploy Nat so no, i disagree with you on all accounts.
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Dont work like that son. Even with them there it would still be 3 powerful mutants going up against the power of creation. They'd have a better chance at defeating a full powered Galactus yet they would still lose without a doubt.
No one but me cares about X-Man? thats why there are replies to this thread and people who acknowledge Nate Grey's potential? I'm not the only one making nate grey threads and even if i was...whats your point? am i a big fan of nate grey? not any bigger of a fan as YOU are of phoenix.
Let me explain to an idiot such as yourself. Instead of only going to threads and spitting crap about phoenix even if shes NOT mentioned - AS YOU DO, i actually do productive things. i made a website and a petition for marvel to bring him back - how is that in anyway wrong? in reality you're prolly jealos since you have no abilities of your own but to appear half-intelectual and b'itch on and on to anyone remotely against your queen [pheonix]
You restated me saying you have a big ego...then you branched into how you feel i'm "hurting". how am i hurting? i'm only firing back because i've been tired of you ever since you joined the forums. here is some analysis for ya.
Is Nate Grey my favorite mutant? yes. am i allowed to have a favorite mutant? i dont give a f'uck otherwise. am i trying to make him any more popular? No, for those that know of X-Man they have three options.
Either like him, hate him, or neutral. if you dont know about him, you can look him up. I happen to like Nate and so the website and petition is for others that also like him. this in NO way affects YOU. you think this matchup is unbalanced even though Nate was clearly stated to potentially rival pheonix? i mean look whos talking mr. pheonix kissass. i wouldn't expect you to say pheonix would lost to LT.
look bud just get off my balls. dont like nate? dont go to my site. dont like this thread? stop posting on it.
And please, PLEASE, stop talking on the be-half of "everyone". since when the hell did you become the central mind behind everyone on the whole comic forums? you're pathetic
woah woah calm down. think before you type, man. what planet are you from? earth i hope lol. well dont you think that marvel comics initially started with earth-based characters? for centuries man has made "heros" and moreso than otherwise - it has been MAN.
so obviously the earth mutants are pumped up. why would they not be? everyone wishes at one point to be a hero. obviously business-wise a fantasy behind having "cool powers" and being human sells more, too.
i understand the whole concept of earth based characters sometimes have dumb storylines. well thats what happens when you have so much history with generally the same characters, on the same planet. you got to have AoA's and 2099 s.hit.
but to my belief, i prefer a human with awesome powers over some "entity" that either - a. came from another universe. b. is some sort of God but really Fabio. c. travel the universe going through stars yet not being burnt - bullshit.
hey, he pulled a raiden on me. i mean i remember you a MGS fan so i expect you'd get that. looking at the way he b'itches and all, his sig, and his kaballah or whatever bullshit - i thought it be a female.
after reading this thread, I came to the conclusion that Phoenix isn't a creator, she's a destroyer, look at what has happened to us, vicious personal attacks and whatnot, EVERYTHING I LIVE FOR IS A LIE!!!lol, but
yea, from now on, no more Phoenix against her children, it's too heartwrenching, and unfair, Maybe Rachel vs. Nate, more interesting and fair...
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