The consistent repetition of something rather stupid doesn't make it more believable or even logical. I try to discuss the vs.-confrontations here with more rationalism and less thoughts about readers opinions and wishes in mind than the regular comic writer...though i admit, that this is just ONE possible way of handling things here.
My point was, that the part of the assembled force going into bending the blade is so small, that it can be neglected...and still the wall would not be seriously harmed.
Marvel comics feature the same basics of physics like the real world, there are just some additional aspects when it comes to super powers and super sciences.
Adamantium's only super characteristic is his indestructibility, in all other aspects it's a normal metal, following known real physics.
Wolverines only super characteristics are his senses, the healing factor and some slightly increased physical attributes, in all other aspects going beyond this he is bound to the laws of known real physics.
When i said that he would need superhuman strength to cut colossus, i meant something with more impact than "just more than peak human", even if this is enough to pass as superhuman strength...and i think you know that; you seem rather intelligent.
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Wolverine isn't even the second-best fighter in Marvel. Just off the top of my head, both Cap and Elektra can school him. Elektra flat-out EMBARASSED him.
As for Wolverine vs. Hulk ... omigod ... dumbest match-up ever dreamed up in comics. The best representation I ever saw of what would REALLY happen in a fight like that was in Garth Ennis's Confederacy of Dunces, when Hulk sent Wolverine practically into the stratosphere ... which of course still didn't kill him but DID end the fight by effective ring-out.
And yes, I know Ennis loathes Wolverine, but still ... realistically ... that's what would (and should) happen in a Wolverine versus Hulk fight. But I mean, hey, anyone else at Wolverine's level of strength and skill would be KILLED by a Hulk punch, not just sent out of the ring, so it's not like it's much Wolverine hating to point this out.
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No, seriously. The idea that we could get superpowers from our DNA being altered or different is a stupid concept. Particularly the more far out powers. Energy projectors/manipulators wouldn't make any sense. The only "mutants" or heros that would make sense are the purely physical types, but even those sometimes stretch the limitations of what's beleiveable.
But this "stupidity" is repeated quite frequently. IT has become an accepted core of being.
Selective rationalism is not rational in itself.
Then how would you explain this thing that shouldn't happen but does all the time?
But alot are largely ignored. Newton's third law is quite often discarded.
And this additional data needs to be accounted for as well.
That we know of.
I would say that being a comic book character he should obey those physics. As he has derived his powers from a comic book science rather than a real one, and even then his healing factor has done things that it shouldn't anyway. His wounds don't cauterize.
I'm not saying that he can cut colossus. I'm just trying to explain why he can cut the things he does.
The ring out is not a rule here, even if it should. Simply ringing someone out is insufficent here if the person can still return under their own power.
Aatually since Wolverine was originally a Hulk villian, I'm not too certain of the animosity claim. . . As he would obviously be created to be able to hassle the hulk in the first place. Other wise he'd simply be like a hand ninja to wolverine. . . canon fodder no one would care about.
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Well lets get back on topic for a second, becasue this isn't a comic book, if he isn't technically strong enough to force the blade through, he just isn't.
Which is why I'm saying there has to be something that is being overlooked, like a property of the metal. . .
For all we know the claws were sharpened enough to almost be molecularly thi on the edge of the blade. . . not quite THAT sharp, but pretty darned sharp.
So what little force he does have is applied effiecently enough to do the things he does. . .
I'm not going to say one way or another where Colossus is involved. Had Wolverine been able to cut him just once I would have. But as he hasn't I really can't say anything one way or the other on this.
The things I'm refering to are things he's already cut.
Things he hasn't before that are quite durable I have no way of judging.
We don't know exactly what the properties of Colossus's metal is, they could be akin to Vibranium, which would dampen the force exerted by wolverine in the first place.
Maybe your going about this wrong. Instead of looking at what Wolverine has cut before, maybe its best to look at what has cut Collossus before, and then compare that to wolverine.
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