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Juntai
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Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Reality bends when traveling really fast. It's called warp speed. Does that mean Wally can control reality deftly enough for him to erase someone from existence? No.

Wally vibrates his molecules through tiny spaces in solid matter. It's a well known fact. He's not manipulating reality.

Are you doing anything other than speculating?
Nah, but he can throw him out of it, into another reality, or to the end of time... it was just a quick post, whatever, don't read into it too much, you'll hurt yourself..

Anyways, people saying he would stop time and kill Flash and all that are wrong, Flash is mainlined to the The Speedforce, he can't be stopped or have his power cut off. Death itself came for Flash, and he outran it. That's why he ran through time, to the end, passed it, and up the strands of creation.

Full Potential Flash would be one with the Speedforce....
In GENESIS issue 2, it offhandedly states he'd be equivelent to one of the Guardians...when speaking of the godwave.. "This power has been given many names...the speed force, the quantum field, the great energy once channeled by the Guardians of Oa." [Note it says ONCE because at the time the Guardians were dead.] . .and we've all seen what a Guardian can do to the likes of Galactus.

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Your insult laden post offends me. When has Flash ever thrown anyone out of reality, into another reality, or to the end of time? Are you assuming that Rune King Thor can't timetravel, or travel between realities?

Death came for Flash? That was normal Flash. He saved a little kid from being taken to the afterlife by the Black Racer. "He is fast, but I am faster." I've read it.

We all know that Flash can time travel. Anyone who can exceed lightspeed can timetravel.

Being one with the speed force means that you have complete control over it? Tell that to Barry Allen. The Speed Force controls the entire multiverse? Prove it. By "prove it" I don't mean "repeat what you just said." Provide some evidence.

From what I see, you're only speculating. Saying what Flash might be able to do at full potential. None of what you're saying can be substantiated. If it can be substantiated, you haven't done so.

And we've all seen what happens to a Guardian when Hawkeye comes around.

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Your insult laden post offends me.

--I don't see how saying "Don't read into my random quick post too much you'll hurt yourself" consistutes being "laden" with insults. Especially as it was the only thing that could attributed to being an insult that I said, it was hardly "overloaded" with them, so to speak....

When has Flash ever thrown anyone out of reality, into another reality, or to the end of time? Are you assuming that Rune King Thor can't timetravel, or travel between realities?

--Just because he hasn't doesn't mean he can't. It's known he can share his speed with objects and take them with him when he time/dimension travels.

Death came for Flash? That was normal Flash. He saved a little kid from being taken to the afterlife by the Black Racer. "He is fast, but I am faster." I've read it.

--The Black Flash, the Death of all Flashes, came for Wally West- Flash. Different comic. He ran passed the end of time where concepts of time and Death do not exist to defeat it.

We all know that Flash can time travel. Anyone who can exceed lightspeed can timetravel.

--Very wrong....Superman is faster than light, and cannot timetravel, for example.

Being one with the speed force means that you have complete control over it? Tell that to Barry Allen. The Speed Force controls the entire multiverse? Prove it. By "prove it" I don't mean "repeat what you just said." Provide some evidence.

--I not once said the speedforce controls the multiverse, wtf are you talking about? Don't bother posting if you're not going to make sense.

From what I see, you're only speculating. Saying what Flash might be able to do at full potential. None of what you're saying can be substantiated. If it can be substantiated, you haven't done so.

--You mean besides the fact that I've proven that the power Flash taps into the same power as Gods and Guardians? Or that in Flash 97, when Max described when he almost entered the speedforce and timetraveled to current continuuity, he "locked eyes with God, then blinked.."? Or that Barry has not only been seen waving to Wally in one issue. . but also in Heaven when Hal Jordan was there? How could this be..?

And we've all seen what happens to a Guardian when Hawkeye comes around.

--And don't act like hawkeye did that on his own.

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Rune King Thor smites him

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look, if we are really talking about the flash at his full potential, then we are talking about kingdom come flash. the guy is sick. now i have no doubt in my mind that RKT is powerful as crap, but he is no match for KC Flash. he can jump between dimensions, so he could just teleport to a different dimension, get behind thor, jump back to his dimension, grab thor and in less than .0000000000001 seconds take him to a different dimension and just leave him there, or fly him, yes KC Flash could fly, to the source wall, and then your boy would be screwed royally. RKT is crazy powerful, but KCF is the most ridiculous character i have ever heard of.

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RKT can stop time, has cosmic awareness, he will teleport himself where ever he wants to go.

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KCF will have all of this done before RKT can even react. before he can even think about reacting. he is just tooooooo fast.

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How can the Flash win again?


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How can the Flash win again?
How can Thor win is the question. How can he fight something he can't hit, and can't stop and generally can't see that moves fast enough to exist in multiple times and realities at once..?

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--I not once said the speedforce controls the multiverse, wtf are you talking about? Don't bother posting if you're not going to make sense.



You kinda said it here:

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At full potential Flash is godlike.. Flash would eventually be able to yank down the power of the multiverse on someone, be everywhere at once, not to mention the abilities of flight, being able to wrap reality around himself to barrier himself against attacks, at full potential, he'll even exist before and after time, The Speed Force is pretty much limitless entirely, and Wally's only tiptoed into the door of possibilities. Because the ultimately Full Potential Flash is one with the speed force... like Barry.


So Speedforce can bring down the Multiverse... This guy really sounds like Flash Prime. What issue of BS comics was it that explained the limitless powers of the Flash?


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This is the same flash that got stabbed in the chest by Deathstroke with a sword, okayyyy wink.

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This is the same flash that got stabbed in the chest by Deathstroke with a sword, okayyyy wink.

but u forget, deathstroke is smart, where as thor is not so smart. deathstroke also has precognitive powers and superspeed. and no this is not the same flash. the flash that got stabbed is not full potential flash. there is no possible way for thor to win, he could never land a hit on him, couldn't see him, and would be on the source wall before he could blink.

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You kinda said it here:



So Speedforce can bring down the Multiverse... This guy really sounds like Flash Prime. What issue of BS comics was it that explained the limitless powers of the Flash?
It was BS comics issue 29AAA. When he managed to tap into the powerfanbot at 99%.


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Your insult laden post offends me.

--I don't see how saying "Don't read into my random quick post too much you'll hurt yourself" consistutes being "laden" with insults. Especially as it was the only thing that could attributed to being an insult that I said, it was hardly "overloaded" with them, so to speak....

When has Flash ever thrown anyone out of reality, into another reality, or to the end of time? Are you assuming that Rune King Thor can't timetravel, or travel between realities?

--Just because he hasn't doesn't mean he can't. It's known he can share his speed with objects and take them with him when he time/dimension travels.

Death came for Flash? That was normal Flash. He saved a little kid from being taken to the afterlife by the Black Racer. "He is fast, but I am faster." I've read it.

--The Black Flash, the Death of all Flashes, came for Wally West- Flash. Different comic. He ran passed the end of time where concepts of time and Death do not exist to defeat it.

We all know that Flash can time travel. Anyone who can exceed lightspeed can timetravel.

--Very wrong....Superman is faster than light, and cannot timetravel, for example.

Being one with the speed force means that you have complete control over it? Tell that to Barry Allen. The Speed Force controls the entire multiverse? Prove it. By "prove it" I don't mean "repeat what you just said." Provide some evidence.

--I not once said the speedforce controls the multiverse, wtf are you talking about? Don't bother posting if you're not going to make sense.

From what I see, you're only speculating. Saying what Flash might be able to do at full potential. None of what you're saying can be substantiated. If it can be substantiated, you haven't done so.

--You mean besides the fact that I've proven that the power Flash taps into the same power as Gods and Guardians? Or that in Flash 97, when Max described when he almost entered the speedforce and timetraveled to current continuuity, he "locked eyes with God, then blinked.."? Or that Barry has not only been seen waving to Wally in one issue. . but also in Heaven when Hal Jordan was there? How could this be..?

And we've all seen what happens to a Guardian when Hawkeye comes around.

--And don't act like hawkeye did that on his own.


Sorry, I thought you were trying to call me stupid. embarrasment

No offense, but your argument sucks.

So, Flash has never thrown anyone out of reality, into another reality, or to the end of time, but we should assume that he will be able to in this fight? Right... Anyway, Rune King Thor is above Skyfather level. Even Classic Thor can travel between, in, and out of reality. Through time, too. None of those tricks are going to work.

Pre-crisis Superman could timetravel. Post-crisis Supes has never tried to.

If I'm not mistaken, you once said that Flash could hit Thor with the entirety of the multiverse? If that isn't controlling the multiverse, what is?

You've done nothing but assume. You assume that at full potential, Flash would have complete control of the Speed Force. Then you assumed what he would be capable of doing with such power.

Instead of "Full Potential Flash" you should call him, "Flash with total control of the Speed Force." Or maybe "Flash Prime."

You've never seen "Full Potential Flash," so you can do nothing more than speculate about what he might or might not be capable of.

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So, Flash has never thrown anyone out of reality, into another reality, or to the end of time, but we should assume that he will be able to in this fight?

flash has pulled someone out of a different dimension. read kingdom come. he could have ended that conflict by himself, but the writers knew the fans would hate it. ill see if i can find a scan of it.

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flash has pulled someone out of a different dimension. read kingdom come. he could have ended that conflict by himself, but the writers knew the fans would hate it. ill see if i can find a scan of it.


No need to scan. I believe you.

My point is that the tactic couldn't be used effectively against Thor. Normal Thor warps between realities all the time. Rune King Thor would do so effortlessly.

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KC flash also had full control over the speed force. i believe he was actually one with it. he wasn't actually a specific flash, but all the flashes in one entity.

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KC flash also had full control over the speed force. i believe he was actually one with it. he wasn't actually a specific flash, but all the flashes in one entity.


I've seen him. He looks bad-ass, but he doesn't seem quite as godlike some claim that he is. They imply that Flash is second only to the Presence.

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They imply that Flash is second only to the Presence.


Who the hell implied that?

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Who the hell implied that?


Juntai, from time to time. He once said, and I quote, that Flash could hit Thor with the entirety of the multiverse, or remove him from creation.

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