Registered: May 2005
Location: .::The Anti-Fanboy Confederation::.
Hell...
a) Anakin is stronger than Obi-Wan. Yes.
b) Anakin is stronger than Vader. In terms of raw potential. Yes. In terms of movement abilities. Yes. In terms of lightsaber combat. No. How would he ? Vader in suit is Anakin with mechanical arms (more strength) and more practice in lightsaber combat. You know that fighting is not only a matter of physical condition. Do you ?
No. Obi-Wan would still most likely beat ANH Vader. But he has beaten ROTS Anakin too. Your point being ?
a) "Wars don't make someone great" - Yoda.
b) Yes. He has more experience because he's 40 and Anakin is 23.
c) TPM Mace reached Knight status in half the time Obi-Wan needed and has reached Master status in an age where Obi-Wan became a Jedi Knight. So what ?
And TPM Mace is simply better than Obi-Wan and Anakin. He would outclass Anakin. Period.
He's a living legend even in that time. Number 2 of the order. Not to mention he must have mastered forms IV, V and VII in this time in order to use Vaapad. He would destroy Anakin.
Yes. Thirteen.
Becoming a Master does require to train a Padawan. Being on the Council does not but Master status does require that. Just read something about Ki-Adi-Mundi. He was a Knight in TPM times but on the Council and became Master AFTER having trained a Padawan.
What should he have done between TPM and AotC ? Obviously no bigger conflicts where going on.
Mace called Jango the deadliest man in the galaxy in "Shatterpoint" when he doesn't know about Sidious (but he did know Dooku) and obviously he considered Jango to be a bigger thread.
Yoda can avoid hits from Depa Billaba, Plo Koon and Saesee Tiin at once without using a lightsaber. If Qui-Gon was anywhere near that level he would have killed Maul. Form IV only works well for Yoda because he can go 100 % offense since he doesn't need the lightsaber for defensive actions.
Bad choreography 20 years ago and Vader didn't want to kill his son so he wasn't trying. The very same way Obi-Wan wasn't trying to kill Vader in ANH.
According to the starwars.com Databank:
"In his day, Mace was one of the best lightsaber fighters of the Jedi order. It was said only two opponents ever bested him -- Yoda, and Dooku."
They are all FAR above ROTS Anakin so why you even writing about that ?
How many times do I have to tell you that TPM Mace is basically = AotC Mace and he would beat Anakin too. And Mace was fighting another FORCE USER and seemed to be "invisible" to him, placing 6 hits onto his opponent before he could even react.
Yes. It is. Nice that you're finally realizing it.
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A. Okay, we agree.
B. He's better than at saber combat. How would he not be? Not only ROTS non-mechanical Vader but definately OT Vader. OT Vader may have more arm strength but he's alot slower.
No, I mean you think ROTS non-mechanical Vader is stronger than Obi-Wan?
Yeah, it doesn't make one a great person. But it does make them strong. There's no denying that, having seen how much stronger both Anakin and Obi-Wan became between AOTC and ROTS.
Yes, I meant more experienced than Obi-Wan?
Just over 1/2 the time, actually, and he was 3 years stronger than Obi-Wan when he became a Master than when Obi became a Knight. But yes, those are great acclompishments. 28 year old Mace would beat 28 year old Obi-Wan. But this doesn't mean 40 year old Mace would beat 38 year old Obi-Wan. And Anakin was the youngest Jedi ever to be on the Council. Sn acclompishment above the one's of Mace's you posted, with the exception, perhaps, of becoming a Knight at the age of 13.
Number 2 of the order, yes. But ROTS Anakin wasn't around then. Anyway, maybe Mace would beat Anakin. Either way I'm sure it'd be very close. But I'm still leaning on Anakin. Mace may have been a legend at the age of 40 but Anakin was a legend at the age of 23.
No, an experienced Jedi Knight may become a Master, upon approval of the Jedi Council, after showing great understanding of the Force. This became apparent in ROTS when Mace said the Council did not grant him the rank of Master, thus implying that they had the authority of granting him the rank of master, despite him not having trained a padawan.
No, Mundi was a Master in TPM. Remember what Anakin said in ROTS. No other Jedi Knight has ever been on the Council. And Mundi never trained a Padawan.
No, nothing big but at the least Mace practiced between that time. Does Mace strike you as the type of Jedi who'd just not have any action in 10 years?
Hmm. And do the movies go along with this? No, it is very clear Mace was wrong. It's very clear Dooku was more deadly. Perhaps Mace meant Jango has personally killed more people? Or he was the most dangerous before Dooku revealed himself as a Sith?
Yoda can avoid hits from them but he'd need a blade to beat them. Qui-Gon's nopt near that level but any jedi can go offensive somehwat. And any Jedi, no matter what form they use, can defend themselves with a blade at least somewhat. Not saying Jinn could evade those 3 Jedi without a blade but he can defend himself somewhat.
Okay, Vader wasn't trying to kill Luke and that's why he threw his saber at him? That's why he swung at Luke after Luke had lowered his defenses? And even if he didn't want to kill Luke (which he did) he could have at least defended himself. Or could he have? Apparently not.
Nice find. Okay, there the only ones who ever bested Mace. But they arn't the only one's who ever rivaled him.
TPM Dooku? Hard to say. Though he is stronger than TPM Mace. In any case he wasn't FAR above Anakin. Though Yoda was.
Keyword "basically." and what've you got to prove that?
Did it ever say in the book Kar couldn't see Mace's punches? I don't think so. And Luke, in Shadows of the Emperor (between ESB and ROTJ) slowed Guri down enough with the Force that he beat her easily (once he got fully connected with the Force). And normally she can move so fast she can kill you before you can draw your blaster. Not quite as fast as Mace but then again, ROTS Anakin is leagues above Shadows of the Emperor Luke.
Registered: Sep 2005
Location: Picking up some power converters.
Awwww, Darth Sith is so cute when he is obscenely overconfident.
And everyone on the Mace side is only looking at one side of the facts.
I'm out to make as many enemies as possible.
I came into this thinking Anakin could win because he has more potential, he had lots of experience from the clone wars, and the age difference wasn't that much. Darth Sith, no offence but I,ve seen no good arguments for this, It was all like haha, lol, like that could happen
p.s.-(My brothers theory) Dooku didn't fake it, Sids helped Anakin out in the fight with the force.
I'm thinking of responding to every post here too and then agreeing with everything. It would make an annoying unreadable post, everybody will think I'm a good debasor then.
I rock.
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Oct 15th, 2005 11:30 PM
