DC Atlantis Armies:
The main Poseidonis Army (including many magic users, and at one time Poseidonis itself became a powerful floating city)
The Tritonian Army of Mer-people
The Hy-Brasilians (packed to the hilt with an immense armoury)
The women of Thierna Na Oge (all accomplished magic users who together were able to harm a Millenium Giant.)
Not to mention all sea life itself thanks to Aquaman's TP.
Now can someone tell me how either earth is stopping this team?
Well, obviously this thread is in need of some definition. We need to know who is included in each side, cause we're all just citing dead people, villains, abstracts etc.
Easy. As I've said before, Atlantis is a non issue. 99% of marvel atlantis can't survive outside of water for more than 5 minutes. The only heavy hitter there is Namor, and he isn't strong enough to make a difference by himself. DC atlantis was just stepped on by spectre and annihilated, so it's not even IN this contest.
The Olympians are equal to the Asgardians in terms of numbers and power. They fought to a standstill about a millenia ago prior to the arrival of the celestials, so That's canon.
Add to that the other pantheons floating around on marvel earth- the egyptian gods, the japanese gods that recently gave olympus a lot of trouble, etc, and you've got a pretty good match for hela's armies, etc.
Add to THAT other races that aren't gods but are just disgustingly powerful- the eternals for instance, (Ikaris, Sersi, etc) are EXTREMELY strong and usually considered equal to the olympians and asgardians. Also the inhumans (black bolt, etc) the deviants, etc etc.
add to THAT every currently active mutant on marvel earth- there's less than before, but most or all of the heavy hitters including the omega levels are still around. Iceman could probably freeze the atlantean army solid by himself, Magneto is a global threat, Apocalypse is still around, FYI, and there is an ALARMING amount of high level telepaths still currently active.
add to THAT every high level NON mutant running around- Iron Man, Sentry, Monica Rambeau, etc and so on.
Add to THAT all of the current high level Mystics- Strange is sorceror supreme, and can call on abstracts if he has to.
Add to THAT every high level villain hanging around- Electro, Nefaria, Graviton, Doom...
And that's just marvel. without even starting to list DC, speedsters like flash or superman could decimate 90% of the opposing army with a speedblitz in seconds. There's just way too many high powered individuals on the marvel/dc side to make this a fair fight.
I just did some poking around about Jaspers- holy hell he takes this by himself.
Sir James Jaspers is without a doubt one of the most powerful mutants to ever live in any reality and one of the most likely (though officially unconfirmed) candidates for being an omega-level mutant. The lesser powerful Earth-238 version of Jaspers was able to warp his entire universe beyond recognition to such a degree that it became necessary to destroy the Earth-238 timeline completely just to stop the Jaspers' Warp from spreading to other universes. the more powerful Earth-616 Jaspers was an omniversal scale threat whose power would continue to grow and develop on an exponential rate:
"This version of Jaspers. Is too powerful, too dangerous. His counterpart could at least be halted, even if it meant destroy his entire continuum. This one is not so easily containable. And if he cannot be defeated, then the omniverse shall fall into chaos, and a new and hostile god shall play dice with matter."
Also, it occurs to me Johnny Sorrow would eliminate a good chunk of the asgardian/atlantean army on his own as well.
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Actually, because of their high-level technology, Atlanteans have made an simple pill that enables them to breathe outside water. And I still don't get how entire army of high-technology, bulletproof, Class 5, faster then humans and extremely well trained people is "non-issue". There is still other heroes to take out when bigger people fight.
I love you man, because you debate intelligently. Kudos to you. But the way I see that is- Atlantean technology might be something compared to say, modern day tech, but Apocalypse is running around with Celestial Technology. Doom and Reed can whip up devices that make Atlantean Tech look stone age in seconds. The Xmen have Shi-Ar devices hanging around. How would atlantean tech fare against an army of Ultrons? An Army of Iron Men? Thousands of Prime Sentinels? Because all are a definite possibility. Atlantean tech is irrelevant.
Unless they're planning on all bumrushing the punisher, bulletproof is meaningless. Who uses bullets?
Class 5 is barely street level. a couple of class 90's with high durability (say, colossus, jugs, she hulk, regular hulk, hercules) would tear through them like so much tissue paper.
Faster than human? Who cares? They're not fighting humans. They're fighting against guys who can break the sound barrier. Superman, Flash, Captain Marvel, Nefaria, The Whizzer (lol), Aurora, Northstar etc would speedblitz the hell out of them in less than an eyeblink.
Atlantean magic is nothing vs. what strange can make use of. Ten bucks says strange can turn the seas to [insert random thing here] and ruin them all in one shot.
How are atlanteans vs. Psionic abilities? last I checked there are a WHOLE lot of REALLY powerful human psionics running around that could devastate them from a distance.
And that's assuming that the other gods of the MU are busy handling the Asgardians. Atlantis is a non factor. They'd be a big deal vs. a planet full of humans, but here? not so much.
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