I guess you can say both. I won't give you the full details unless you want them all, which you don't, so to make a long story short I fell for him, we acted compassionate to each other when together, but he'd lie constantly to my face while looking me in the eyes and not regret any of it, and is currently chasing another girl down, and has already kissed her in school.
I would be here literally all day typing this story to you, but I have it in my blogs if you'd like to read it there. Yes, I will admit I am a bit dramatic towards the end, especially after all of this has happened to me. They start with the 3rd from last, dated Sunday, October 29, 2006. www.myspace.com/menaredouches/
That is certainly a valid point - a response that actually hints the raposts themselves are human beings.
I think personaly that just about everyone forgets that rapists are human beings. We must look first at WHY men become rapists:
He was once an innocent crying baby born into whatever family, rich/poor seems to be any class doesn't it? I doubt there is any real proof that many men are BORN rapists. Yes they have the same feelings and needs as other people in general and when they reach puberty they develop the sexual attraction for women [or me] etc.
Two things I think turn men into rapists:
1] Less valid one that is sexist to both men and women: the scimpy dressing of women - there are many women that deliberately [or not] dress very lightly usually to falunt their sexuality and get confirmation from men that they are sexually attractive - it happens a lot and so men may resent the fact that although to them the signals they are giving out is - lets get it on baby! the real motive is not to actually have sex with the man but to satisfy the woman's ego - not always this reason - many are unaware of it through socialisation, carelessness or just plain deciding to wear what they want to wear. This is obviously sexist to women as it implies women are not allowed to wear what they want or whatever and sexist to men in that it implies most men are potential rapists etc. But I think there is quite a bit of significance and relevance here.
2] Socialisation of boys. I learned about this from Dr. Warren Farrell's The Myth of Male Power tape [The most-unbiased masculist/male feminist there is]. If you look carefully all boys it seems are totally BOMBARDED by female beauty and pressure to get with beautiful women extremely early in their lives [TV adverts, magazines, posters, school pressure, history etc.]. Socialisation leaves a trail of landmines all around boys that further pressures them to aim high and pursue the hottest women etc. and judge women by their physical appearance - making the boys grow up to be unfeeling and unconcerned with women's feelings [or they may appear to be just to get what they want leading to "All men are disgusting pigs who only care about getting pussy" further indoctrinating men to pursue sex with hot women what ever way you want to look at it - leading to great confusion as well]. When boys CAN'T get the hot woman and what is seen as dirty and evil - despite what they have or have not to lose they develop HUGE feelings of contempt for women as a result of all the social pressure and confusion and do the unspeakable... Its has been proven that MOST female victims of rape are the young nubile ones who are at the peak of their secual attractiveness.
There are also other factors of course [Of which there are MANY valid points in this thread] - pedophilia caused by whatever reasons - a man becomign sexually attracted to children is caused by many factors [which may explain why men who rape boys are not gay etc.] though the largest factor which is overlooked is that a LOT of those men [60% I've heard] were actually sexually abused, raped, sodomised etc. when they were children themselves - and as we all know the world DESPISES the idea of Men being victims and there are next to NO shelters for raped [and battered] males and of course the social pressure to "take it like a man" and suck it up [the greatest sexism in the world today against men] and basically socially implode and if they don't take their own lives [Men are now 4 times more likely to kill themselves than are women in young adult groups - thsi being only one of teh many reasons - and teh lie that women think about it more - I think its very hard to see what men are thinking nowadays because no-one cares enough - its much easier to just blame them and demonise them] - OR unleash their TERRIFYING rage upon others - women, or children or other men by sexually abusing them despite what they have to lose
I think its time to start looking at rapists in another way - well a start would be to look at society and the socialisation of the embryo form of rapists - innocent male children. We are no longer living in an age where men are to be brought up as future soldiers - a shitload more compassion is needed - women's greatest fasad is that of weakness and a man's greatest fasad is that of strength [Warren Farrell]. And I DO NOT approve of any kind of rape but I do NOT think men are born rapists
I'd like to say more - including female rapists but I really don't have time. I'm sure there are many intelligent unbiased people who would make light of why when a man sexually abuses he did it knowingly and is totally responsible and when a women does it she is mentally ill etc.
I am still unsure what to make of the question in this thread. When looking at false rape allegations I think you will find this article EXTREMELY enlightening: The main point illustrating: the vast majority of rape allegations made to the police are false, but the government and the media do not want you to know this.
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It might have been. Depending on whom I was replying to, and how I was feeling at the moment...
And the reasons for rape - If i remember correctly you are one of those people who supports Thornihill and Patterson regarding biological urges which cause rape.
We are not gonna agree on that in any case - since that theory is too positivistic fr my liking, especially when its used to explain SOCIAL phenomenon.
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No, men are not born rapists. And ho are you going to compare female rapists when less than 2% are females, and an overwhelming majority of those are captured for child molestation, or child sexual abuse.
Second, the link you posted shows an absolute ignorance of rape. It was written by a pumpped up prick with absolutey no knowledge of the trends of rape reporting.
As for ''deserved'' rape - there is no such thing, HOWEVER, I will say that women who think they can get drunk, fall all over the place go with all knds of dodgy guys, night after night, are going to get themselves in trouble.
The idea of women sexual liberation does not equal reckless behaviour and stupidity.
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Thornhill et al say that rape is more or less natural, because naimals engage in cohearsive behaviour, so man raping could be a sexual urge (as far as I gathered, although Thornhill uses lots of scientific words, I don't get)
Positivism is this stupid thing in social science where people believe that social science can copare to natural sciences when it comes to facts.
So like, they use natural sciences to explain something and then come up with a theory for it.
What causes rape, for example.
Now thats stupid, because as far as social thing goes, you cant put everyone under the same umbrella.
Some people rape because they hate women, other rape because they need to feel power, some rape for...some other reason (like spiking a drink then taking girl who is unconcious), then some people may rape out of some other reason I havent got yet...
I don't like the idea that any social phenomenon can be put down under one thing - social things cannot be generalised, becuse people act in different ways and for different reasons.
Oh and my point of view - well I belive there is a range of things which cause rape.
I also believe that irresponsibility of women can get them in trouble. Women NEED to take care, and keep away from psychos, and in fact try not to get themselves in a difficult position.
Thats those who can help it, of course.
Small minority of rapes happen at random - a lot of people who rape know their victim. A lot of epople get drunk, the boy and a girl, and a girl might have said no, and the guy was..whatever.
There are many many many reasons why people rape or get raped, but ''biological'' reason is the one I hate the most.
Idea that men couldn't control themselves is uncomprehansable to me.
It is also an insult to men all over the world.
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kinda like i always say: there is a huge difference between deserving something and asking for it/having it coming. some idiot frat boy who drinks a half keg of beer to impress his friends doesnt deserve to die of alcohol poisoning, but he certainly has it coming. i think when the majority can grasp this concept the whole rape topic (and many other topics) will not be so potentially offensive.
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Wait, so you don't think that rape occurs due to sexual urges in people (predominantly males...well, in the UK per definition only males? Or do you mean it also has other factors?
Also, don't you think that some Biological information can explain social behaviour as it is? I mean. There certainly are parallels.
No, because animals don't rape. And the reasons animals don't rape is because they do not have any concept of sex.
Also, the biggest percentage of all rapists have done it only ONCE. It is rare that the ofences are repeat, and if they are, they are against a single victim.
Majority know their victim, so its not like they had this urge all of a sudden and had to fullfill it. If that was the case, random victim cases would be greater.
Obviously, this is my view on things - people who specialise within rape as a phenomenon disagree all the time. its mostly to do with whos idea makes the most sense to you.
There are few types of established rapists -
Power rapists - who rape women to feel power. Some proportion of these cases happen in middle class families, when woman has a better standing then the man.
It also happens in families, etc..
Anger Rapists - those who hate women, and they are the ones who beat or even kill women after rape.
Some rapists, interviewd in priosn, i thoink around 75% of them said they lost the erection during middle of rape, but they continued with anything they could find. They also beat the victimes a lot, and in some cases killed them.
There are other rape groups which don't really fit in either -
like those sexual predators who spike other peoples drinks, then have sex with them while victim is unconcious...or perhaps those who claim that they couldnt help the urge (although i have never read anyone claiming that...but possible)
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many animals do engage in nonconsentual sex. sure they dont consciously think it's rape or have any concept of consent or morallity, as the females doesnt experience trauma. but lets face it, many females in the animal kingdom, by our definition of 'rape', are raped. not implying any evil to it, but just saying...
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He's lucky to be alive and should appreciate the fact that we don't go death sentence on his ass.
Kidding.
But seriously, I think yes. In certain cases only. Where there is any uncertainty, life imprisonment should suffice... obviously until this new evidence appears.
Animals have no concept of sex, other than mating. A male has ''cohersive'' with a female, they had babies, and the world goes on.
We have a different concpet of sex, sexual intercourse, etc...thus it would be very silly to copare it.
Second, I would like to think that as humans we can control ourselves, and I know too many men, who would be offended at the thought that they cannot control their sexual urges.
Animals can have cohersed sex (which is how Thornhill refers to it) - yeah I can shit in the woods, but I still know how to use a toilet.
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