Yeah um, Gillard said he would own Anakin in a sword duel, even though it might have been a joke, he wouldn't stand a chance. I see it as nothing more than an opinion!
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So he said that he, not his character, but he, Nick Gillard would own Anakin. Not Hayden, but Anakin? Well what's so wrong with that? Nick Gillard is a pretty awesome swordsman.
You do realise that because the movies are the highest form of canon, Anakin's ability with a saber is almost 100% dependant on Hayden's swordfighting ability. Nick Gillard is a much much better swordsman than Hayden, so logic dictates that he would beat Anakin in a duel.
Lol, you think someone who can see all his attacks in the future, read his thoughts, increase his speed and strenght above human levels, and has trained to fight to kill or disarm in professional jedi way's and been in wars and battle for the 3 last years will lose to some petty human who has been training sword arts at a circus? Yeah, Nick stands a chance.....
The movies are the highest canon, but you're taking that statement to literal. In there, it is Hayden, not Anakin, who fights. You cannot judge them by their actors performance, we have loads of other sources showing their power. Just taking those things above and you have Anakin for the win.
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1. Wookipedia is not a source. Meaning what it says = nothing, unless supported by canon sources.
2. "Outmaneuvered" could also translate to the fact that he got his henchmen to blindside Mace, which is what happened. Nothing in the duel suggested that Dooku was dominating it. He wanted to fight Mace, and yet after a brief match, decided to leave. That doesn't make him weaker, but that sure as hell is a sign that he's not stronger.
You missed my point. Having knowledge of both sides is better than having knowledge of only one. This makes Dooku the better force user - especially when coupled with his two respective masters and the time he has been studying the force for.
Hmm well neither of us have any solid proof to support eiyther of our claims on this matter. I see where your coming from but I still disagree. Im willingly to let this point drop if you are.
Hahaha, didnt you see ESB where he starts hitting R2 with his cane for the food.
Im speaking in general here. Dooku has had 80 years to learn the ways of the force whereas Mace has had much less. Logically speaking Dooku is going to be better. Of course there are other factors to be taken into considersation as well. But then add in the fact that Dooku has learnt both sides of the force and that his masters were to the most powerful in the Unvierse than I think it is safe to say that Dooku has the edge here.
I agree with this.
Yes. But I doubt that he has. Dooku has had 30+ years more battles than Mace. Plus he had his own small army of Acolytes to train and he was the temples BM. I think it is reasonably safe to assume that Dooku has more comat experience anyway. Therefore point moot.
Just for reference, here's the fight from the comic:
Dooku (to magnaguards): "Locate Grievous and Ventress, if they still live. Kill any Clones you encounter, but leave the Jedi to me."
He seems intent on killing a few Jedi, getting in some practice. Next frame:
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Mace confronts Dooku and they fight. They appear to be fairly even. However, something about the way Dooku says "You won't kill me. Not today." makes it seem as if he believes that Mace does indeed have the power in him to kill Dooku, just "not today" because Dooku is about to flee.
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Dooku realizes that he's gonna lose so he gets his goons to distract Mace while he can make his escape.
Yes. Dooku is a sith and in his eyes he had everything to lose in that fight. Mace is a Jedi with no thought of self preservation and knew that killing Dooku would cripple the CIS and turn the tide of the war dramatically. Because of how close they are in terms of power and that there was a very good possibility that Mace could win, Dooku didnt want to take the risk.
Sidious takes this. Obi-wan defeated Anakin. Yoda said that Obi-wan was not strong enough to defeat Sidious, so Anakin isn't either.
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Sidious still takes this. Anakin lost to Obi-wan. Obi-wan got raped by Dooku. Dooku only lost to Anakin the fight was staged. Otherwise Dooku would have raped Anakin also. Sidious is about equal to Dooku so Anakin is weaker and loses.
Bottom line: Anakin loses no matter how you look at it.
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Yeah, just like he ran ran Yoda in AOTC not because he was losing, huh, but because he didn't want to take the risk? Oh yeah, and the databank says Mace and Yoda are equal and Yoda was at least even with Dooku when they fought in Dark Rendezvous and that was when Dooku had the terrain advantage. Face it, Mace beats Dooku.
Yoda was different altogether. Dooku was already a fair notch below him on skill, had just fought Anakin and Obi-Wan and needed toe scape before Republic forces arrived.
Mace being equal to Yoda could mean a number of things. You and me both know that Yoda would beat Mace in a fight so that quote goes out the window.
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that's the dumbest shit I've heard since i heard planet talk earlier. A>B>C agreements don't mean shit. Anakin is far superior to OB1, and Dooku. It was proved many times that the fight was not staged as there is no direct evidence to support such a stupid ass theory. Anakin pwned Dooku like a b!tch, and made a stupid decision while fighting OB1. Anakin can beat Sidious, especially when he's "in the zone."
Lol! Because he runs off from a superior combatent in one case, it is totally impossible for him to run if he is not lesser powerful?
They are equal ON THE COUNCIL, not in terms of power. Yoda has been stated in G-canon material to be the strongest jedi up until Luke, Mace has admitted Yoda his better in sword and the force.
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Subjeckt and dont forget sidious despite being a powerful sith lord would use psychology against anakin to get him out of his "clear minded" stage, Remember the duel with obi1? anakin did not make a bad decision, he simply was not "in the zone" and had he been in there, obi1 would have been wtf pwned.
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Not necessarily. Just because you have knowledge doesn't mean you can always effectively use it when needed. Autistic people are extremely smart in certain areas and they just cant use it. And you're trying to substitute quantity for quality. Just cause you know more doesn't mean you know "better".
No, i cant on this one. Cause it's perfectly logical to assume so, which is what all this debates over battles are...assumptions. I see no reason why he wouldn't pass along his teachings.
lol, touche...
Right, but do you think Sidious will teach him alot, or anywhere close to what he knows? Hell no, he even said when talking about his master, "unfortunately he taught his apprentice everything he knew, and then he killed him in his sleep." So why would he make the same mistake? 30 years isn't that much when you realize that you can only learn so much in a time span. Yes Dooku has had more time to hone his skills, but again, for those who aren't the chosen one, you can only get so good.
Thats right, fool! j/k
OK, you can doubt all you want, but we don't know for sure. You have to think though, when Dooku was coming up there was no Sith to fight, it was better times and not as hectic. So mace would have more experience with like type of fighters, dark Jedi, Sith, etc...therefore, point un-moot.
Yea in that setting Yoda would have lost, and really, this is another debate in itself. We're supposed to be talking about how bad Anakin would ass rape Sidious.
@Kadesh, how much psychology did Sidious use when fighting Mace? None, With Yoda? None. So you cant say he'd do it with Anakin and throw him off balance. And yes Anakin did make a dumb move...he tried jumping over someone that was higher than him rather than to the side...and OB1 didn't get him that way, he did himself and the Padme situation. Sidious cant throw him off that badly.
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Really? where did he admit that? I remember Anakin saying, "As wise as master Yoda, and as powerful as master windu." giving the power to mace and wisdom to Yoda.
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