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Galan007
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Who has ever gotten that many hits off on one flash let alone 3?
Zoom is the only one that comes to mind.


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I've never seen a Thanos-level being punch through the fabric of reality with brute force alone.
Hulk has stick out tongue


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I get ya but your wrong.

For one thing Hulk has shatter with a punch something twice the size of Earth and his pnch has knocked Earth off its orbit. Hulk is alot stronger than just a mountain lifter.

Secondly Superman should never get hit by half the peopel who don't really possess Superspeed but he does.

THe Flash should never get tagged by anyone but they do why because they are described as holding back. So yeah Thor doesn't just BFR half of the Avnegers enemies becuase he holds back more than people think.


For one thing Hulk has shatter with a punch something twice the size of Earth and his pnch has knocked Earth off its orbit. Hulk is alot stronger than just a mountain lifter.

So does Hulk hold back also?

I mean if his punches can shatter a planet...then anyone he punches should be dead...no ifs, buts, about it

people who have taken Hulk's punches:
Spiderman
Captain America
Iron Man
Wolverine
Thing
etc, etc

so these people can withstand a planetshattering force? ( i know, you're going to say that the planet shattering punch was the high point of Hulk's strength and he usually doesn't punch that hard...fine, assuming his usual punches are 10 times weaker, no better yet 100 times weaker, it should still EASILY kill any of the above people)


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For one thing Hulk has shatter with a punch something twice the size of Earth and his pnch has knocked Earth off its orbit. Hulk is alot stronger than just a mountain lifter.

So does Hulk hold back also?

I mean if his punches can shatter a planet...then anyone he punches should be dead...no ifs, buts, about it

people who have taken Hulk's punches:
Spiderman
Captain America
Iron Man
Wolverine
Thing
etc, etc

so these people can withstand a planetshattering force? ( i know, you're going to say that the planet shattering punch was the high point of Hulk's strength and he usually doesn't punch that hard...fine, assuming his usual punches are 10 times weaker, no better yet 100 times weaker, it should still EASILY kill any of the above people)
Well its because Hulk's rage is equal to how much strength he has so he isn't always at those levels of strength.

So everybody on that list survived more than likely because they weren't facing a Hulk that wasn't that strong stick out tongue


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Well its because Hulk's rage is equal to how much strength he has so he isn't always at those levels of strength.

So everybody on that list survived more than likely because they weren't facing a Hulk that wasn't that strong stick out tongue


you know what, this is Marvel's fault

In reality, Thor may be as strong as you say and he should be off fighting Midgard serpents

he should not be a member of Avengers fighting enemies who are in actually thousands of times weaker than him


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but in the GLC's defense those were almost entirely new members (except Hal and Guy).
Absolutley.

Even so, tearing through that many GL's (new to the trade, or not), without so much as slowing down, is certainly a feat worth mentioning:
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you know what, this is Marvel's fault

In reality, Thor may be as strong as you say and he should be off fighting Midgard serpents

he should not be a member of Avengers fighting enemies who are in actually thousands of times weaker than him
In reality he is as strong as I say and has enough feats to say so.

Its teh samethign with DC and Superman when he can't simply restrain someone obviously weaker then him. stick out tongue


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you know what, this is Marvel's fault


Basicly.

As time passes writers want to make impressive feats for characters and start ignoring what thier original limitation were supposed to be. [cough]PreCrisisSuperman[/cough]


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Hulk has stick out tongue
Has Hulk ever torn through it in such a degree, that it literally messed up the time-stream and caused retcons? no

Plus, combine that kind of power with all of SBP's other abilities, and you get a being too powerful for his own good. stick out tongue


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Basicly.

As time passes writers want to make impressive feats for characters and start ignoring what thier original limitation were supposed to be. [cough]PreCrisisSuperman[/cough]


I don't mind making characters impressive, but just make them consistent

If Thor can destroy planets...he should pretty much deal with every earth villain with a flick of his finger

Marvel shouldn't have a guy who can crush an object of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000s of tons one day to struggle against a guy who is barely in the 100 ton class.


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Has Hulk ever torn through it in such a degree, that it literally messed up the time-stream and caused retcons? no

Plus, combine that kind of power with all of SBP's other abilities, and you get a being too powerful for his own good. stick out tongue
Yes but Hulk didn't need a wall to be there he just punched into then air stick out tongue

You see that is my problem with SBP's retcon punch. I don't think he could have done it without that wall there and the fact that he literally didn't retcon punch anything else proves just thaterm


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Yes but Hulk didn't need a wall to be there he just punched into then air stick out tongue

You see that is my problem with SBP's retcon punch. I don't think he could have done it without that wall there and the fact that he literally didn't retcon punch anything else proves just thaterm
He never tried to punch through reality besides that one time.......... So who knows?


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He never tried to punch through reality besides that one time.......... So who knows?
I do because he honestly was only able to perform that one feat because there was a kind of mystical/magical/deminsional(whatever you want to call it) in front of him. The fact is besides that one instance he never sh wed any kind of reality warping power at all before or after

I think I'm more than justified in saying NO SBP does not have any reality warping powers of his own erm


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I don't mind making characters impressive, but just make them consistent

If Thor can destroy planets...he should pretty much deal with every earth villain with a flick of his finger

Marvel shouldn't have a guy who can crush an object of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000s of tons one day to struggle against a guy who is barely in the 100 ton class.


Which is exactly the problem. There's nothing wrong with making powerful characters but when you then have to make them experience forgotten limitations or ignore feats just to make a scene work it starts to seem ridiculous.


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I do because he honestly was only able to perform that one feat because there was a kind of mystical/magical/deminsional(whatever you want to call it) in front of him. The fact is besides that one instance he never sh wed any kind of reality warping power at all before or after

I think I'm more than justified in saying NO SBP does not have any reality warping powers of his own erm
The fact that he was the only being capable of this sepaks for itself.

And again, that was the only instance where SBP tried to punch through reality, so of course he didn't demonstrate this kind of ability a second time.


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Which is exactly the problem. There's nothing wrong with making powerful characters but when you then have to make them experience forgotten limitations or ignore feats just to make a scene work it starts to seem ridiculous.
Every major top-tier character goes through this.

Everytime one of the JLA solos the rest of the team this happens. No one herald should ever solo the JLA by themselves yet everytime a member goes bad it happens. erm


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He lifted the Midgard Serpent who weighs exactly the same amount as Earth.


THat serpent didn't look as big as the earth. Do you know what would happen to the earth if something the same weight as it were to actually come in contact with it? the earth would be destroyed. It would collapse.

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THat serpent didn't look as big as the earth. Do you know what would happen to the earth if something the same weight as it were to actually come in contact with it? the earth would be destroyed. It would collapse.


to be fair, the laws of physics of reality don't apply in comics


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The fact that he was the only being capable of this sepaks for itself.

And again, that was the only instance where SBP tried to punch through reality, so of course he didn't demonstrate this kind of ability a second time.
Correction he was the only being there to try it. No one knows if Superman could do the same with his fists or any strong character. Without the wall what would he hit to cause the Retcons. How come everytime he hit someone he doesn't simly retco ntheir entire past. Ho come he didn't use his Reality punches to change the red sun into a yellow sun.


I would also like to point out SBP escaping the Speedforce didn't cause any retcons.

The FACT is that without that wall there SBP has never shown ANY REALITY WARPING PWOERS at all. So if anyone does one thing now its a perfect match they can do it all the time. Seems very iffy to me and for someone who normally needs much more evidence for something then this you sure are taking it as cold hard fact stick out tongue


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Every major top-tier character goes through this.

Everytime one of the JLA solos the rest of the team this happens. No one herald should ever solo the JLA by themselves yet everytime a member goes bad it happens. erm


This is why I like manga (fewer returning enemies [and the one that do come back are shown to have gained power if they pose a threat])

Their are advantages to having a single author control the continuity.


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