But Supes doesn't really let loose with a full intesity blast of heat vision unless he knows for a fact his opponent will survive, and I doubt that a standard blast will bring Doom down given his armor's defense system...
No...we're just talking about random meetings(fights). Sure...the F4 could beat Superman with prep...but without prep...Superman would take them in a random meeting. That is the point I was making about Doom. Doom has a lot of gadgets..and he thinks well on the spur of the moment...but Superman isn't dumb either...he'd actually be even smarter than Doom. I think Superman could handle a lot of what Doom can dish out in any random fight...and find a way to beat him.
I didn't say that beating Superman would make it possible for Doom to take over the world. Doom is good...I just don't think he should be over-hyped. If Doom can take out someone of Superman's abilities in any random meeting...then he would be powerful enough to take over the world...since no one that is Earth-based in Marvel comes close to having Superman's powers...with the exception of Thor. My point is...if he's good enough to own Superman...then he would be good enough to own anyone on Marvel Earth.
And Juggernaut ain't beating Supes' on any day of the week. All Juggernaut has going for him is strength....and his strength is no where near Superman's. Juggy may not get knocked out...but ,he'll get knocked around all day long. Juggernaut could do nothing to Superman...so, he's not gonna beat him.
I think that jugs can take sups if he is using his powers right (force field etc..). It would be another doomsday fight if bfr wasnt factored. Also dont forget that juggernaut is a magic base being so his punches could have an affect on superman. Now superman strength being higher than juggernaut, thats something that i just dont know since juggernaut has never struggled to lift anything and war hulk was stated of having infinite strength but juggernaut was pushing him back with ease.
Well...in your standard fight....Juggernaut doesn't have the same speed that Doomsday and Superman have. Superman can easily dodge anything that Juggernaut might throw at him. Juggernaut will not wear out...but Superman will frustrate him...because he won't be able to land many hits...if any. Superman is fast enough to pound on Juggernaut all day long. Admittedly, Juggernaut will not be knocked out....but Superman will be throwing him around all day long. If anything...Juggernaut's only hope is just to stalemate Supes. DC characters tend to be stronger than Marvel characters...particulary Earth based marvel characters...in general. Juggernaut's punches don't have the force of say...nuclear explosions...and nuclear devices barely even phase Superman. Nothing on panel suggests that Juggernaut even comes close to having Superman level strength...and until then...Superman has to be considered much stronger.
Again...i agree with you...Superman can't knock Juggs out...he'd have to BFR him...and in a fight....I don't see how that wouldn't happen anyway. One of these guys are gonna get his so hard that he's gonna end up a few hundred miles away anyway. However, in a standard fight...anything goes...Superman has too much of an advantage in strength, speed, and flight to lose to Juggernaut. The only way for Juggernaut to win is for both to be pitted in a standard boxing match...cause Supes would wear out first...but, that would never happen in a real encounter.
Doom is probably my favorite Marvel character....but without prep...he gets horribly stomped.
And I never quite got the hang of "no speedblitz" as speed is a subjective term.
How fast or slow do you want to guy to go?
Even a quick human can speedblitz most characters....then you start moving up the ladder and getting to Spiderman's speed level...all the way up to Flash...
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Superman dont know how to use his speed in the terms that your saying that he can. Superman isnt a dragonball character and he dont wink in and out during combat. Superman has been hit by lobo, solomon grundy, batman, hulk, almost every character in dcu. Superman has sufficient speed but during brawls almost any character can hit him. Until the day i see hiim wink in and out during battle Im not changing the fact that juggernaut cant hit him.
Now in reference to the strength. Like I said before due to cytorrak I think that juggernaut could be as strong or even stronger than superman. Juggernaut has never displayed a sign of struggling to pick up anything and he pushed back a being that was stated as having incacaulable strength.
When supes met hulk he commented on hulk being stronger than him. I have seen marvel pull as good of feats as dc. Example, gladiator under his own power moved a planet. Superman needed the aid of wonderwoman and martian manhunter to move the moon. Gladiator under his own power stood on top of a planet that had 9 moons and punch the planet to dust in 3 punches but superman had to fly through a moon to even cause any damage.
Juggernaut can land licks on superman just like all the brawlers and heavy weights that superman fights on a regular basis. Juggernaut has the potential to wear superman down and ending the fight with a k o to the head (due to superman losing solar energy). Juggernaut can just lay down and let superman punch on him all day to no affect.
There is no way that superman can beat juggernaut and I do think that juggernaut have the potential to hit superman. He didnt have a problem hitting northstar and northstar moves at the speed of light.
Superman has moved so fast he's turned intangible AND invisible.
Vibrated his arm so fast he shattered another Superman/Herald level character.
Speed has never been an issue for the man of steel.
Would you want 2 panel comic books at todays prices?
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goes close to the speed of light but people seem to hit him. Do you not understand that yeah supes, mimic, etc... has super speed but does that mean that they fight as super speed, no. They dont fight like dragonball z characters, they are able to hit you fast, ill give them that people on same speed level as rhino has hit them without a problem. Just as equus who scratched a chunk out of supermans chest.
Superman vibrated intangible during a fight... and catches machine gun bullets without breaking a sweat. What you are implying makes no sense whatsoever.
Put DBZ characters in a comic, and Rhino would hit them as well...why? Because nobody wants 2 panel comics...
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dragonball seems to make more sense than comics unless comics is saying what i just posted above.
Everyone that goku fight has super speed to KEEP UP with him because he FIGHTS at super speed. Superman has slower enemies because yes he does have speed (which he only use for traveling) but he fight at the pace of his villian because he dont know how to fight at super speed, he cant. It takes training in order to do things like that and goku and others from dragonball trained on that from day one.
Superman can not fight at super speed. I have seen him move at super speed while fighting someone but it is very rare and i think that the writer just wanted to do something different. The fact of the matter is superman would have to take a punch in order to land one just like any other character. His entire career he has been hit by people that is much slower than him but on kmc they give superman powers and abilities that he just dont have.
Wrong. On KMC people avoid the PIS that occurs. Flash could IMP the mess out of every DBZ character before they could even begin to blink. Do you think this would happen in a comic? Of course not, once again...because you would be interested in a fight that lasted more than 2 panels for your dollar.
DBZ characters train and yes, it does make them faster, but these guys are not lightspeed, nor will they every be..whether it's travelling or fighting. There is a huge difference between them, Flash, Superman, Doomsday, WW, Etc.
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Lets not turn this into a dragonball z thing but this is the last thing that Im going to say about them. I dont think that flash, superman, or doomsday has enough speed to keep up with dragonball z characters. Thats just my opinion. I consider dragonball to be faster. One reason why Im saying this was because in the dragonball era, not dragonball z but dragonball, when goku was fighting tien and took off the weighted clothing, it was stated THEN that he could move that the speed of light. Thats when he started spinning around in circles showing off his speed, creating a tornado. It was also stated by picollo that raditz moved faster than the speed of light.
Goku should be able to beat the hell out of superman and flashed teamed together without much effort. Again thats my thoughts.
Back to the topic. Superman cant fight at super speed but he can easily fly at super speed. Silver surfer cant fight at super speed but he can easily fly at super speed. Mimic cant fly at super speed but can easily fly at super speed. Same goes for wonder woman. I have never seen superman do anything that comes close to what people on dbz do. I have seen him fight people of slow speed that hits him throughout the entire comic.
If superman and doomsday moved so fast why was humans able to see the entire fight. They werent moving at any kind of impressive speed. Everyone that was outside that day seen the entire fight until the last blow. Someone was actually recording it and it was on news for the world to see. Juggernaut can hit superman and if you think that superman stands a chance in hell against anyone on dbz beside chazoo then you need to get off the weed.
Ok...that confirms it....you are definitely a dbz fanboy.
Flash alone would smoke any dbz character...the guy has moved faster than death and travels through time... he could IMP any of them with no issue.
Superman is pretty damn fast as well but of course Flash is faster.....DBZ guys are way behind them in speed. It sounds like you are making ridiculous excuses to hype up your guys. We'll leave them as is though, your bias comes through in pretty much all your posts and I realize this is a waste of time.
I'll let this go back on track to it's regular topic.
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Did goku display any kind of speed going through snake way. I dont think that he was because I didnt see any. Everything that i told you was the truth. I dont know what happened to goku when he was on snake way but during the dragonball era and when he fought raditz everything was true.
No. You’re exaggerating like you always do. Goku didn’t tell Tien he could move at the speed of light, he said he felt light.
Raditz moving FTL is a dub error made by FUNimation. Another dub error they made was saying IT moves at the speed of light, which would mean that Raditz is faster than Goku’s IT. Goku took two days to cross Snake Way after KK’s training, if could go at the speed of light he would have crossed it in a matter of seconds.
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