Obviously thw writer intended Thanos to activate all his forcefields but I see you holding no bases for overwriting that with you opinion. I furthermore see absolutely no reason to why you should know the intentions of the writer.
Have I said that.. No, have I asked you if Thanos with that level of knowlegde that you claim him to posesse wouldn't know the amount of shields he had at his disposal, Again you turn a blind eye to the fact that Thanos said "Active ALL defensive shielding"? Yes
No that isn't my burden to Prove Quanchi as Tenebrous have repeatly mentioned it is up to you to prove that Thanos maximum number of shields is one. But that is simply highly unlikely as it's simply not in Thanos Character to downgrade his own defenses, the Incident with Hunger was written after Thanos encounter with Omega, during that Encounter Thanos showed that he had atleast four shields at his disposal to utilize as protection, theirfore it's simply inlogical so assume that ALL defensive shielding would have been reduced to one as you claim but anyway it's up to you to prove that when Thanos says all he means one I'm not going to go into detail with Galactus statement concerning the shields, Tenebrous have already taken care of that.
So you just choose to completely overwrite the incident just like you claim Tenebrous and me to do concerning Omega's rather limited showings concerning what he should have been capable of given Thanos statement?
See Above. Galactus had until his confrontation with Thanos not feasted a single time, again the assesment that Thanos made concerning Galactus powerlevel was made on the Astral plan and Galactus never said that he depleted vast energy simply that he depleted Vital energy, which means that the amount of energy he had left was already low.
Am, no, Galactus true power is actually leaps and bounds beyond Omega.
Galactus wrecks him and Thanos simultaneously. Galactus true power was shown that he can eat all MU, everything, time and space. That is pretty much limitless energy (but only TOAA is limitless). Probably only such beings as LT, Protege, Scathan, SW,... and not many more would survive that, literally.
Dude, before we discuss anything else...just stare at the above quote. Just stare at it and see how infinitely illogical it is.
I mean, if fangirl wrote the same exact statement to you that I just quoted, you'd be all over her or him. I'll quote again to emphasize the allegations in this post.
As Utrigita mentioned Infinity Abyss was before Thanos limited series, I did not bring that up as it was common knowledge on everyone's part. So if your position before was that "all defensive shielding" is still less than three because it's uncertain if Thanos had 1 or 2 shields, then I understand your contention. But obviously, Thanos is not one to downgrade his tech nor his defenses. We're now traveling into the realm of speculation, on your part, that "all defensive shielding" in Hunger arc < "3 personal force fields" in Omega arc, because you believe "all defensive shielding" to equate to 1 or 2 shields, which would quantifiably be fewer than 3 and allow your statement to be true.
The ONLY thing you have to corroborate your interpretation is Galactus mentioning "a mere force field." If you want to interpret that literally and at face value, that's your opinion and I'm not going to stop you from doing that, aside from telling you that your interpretation is incorrect. Galactus' whole statement is comparitive by nature, just by the fukking grammar used in the sentence, nevermind all the comic content or whatever.
"Never before" automatically makes it comparative. He's mentioning a TYPE of defense, not the quantity.
You also don't want to do the grammatical exercise I asked you to do. That's fine. The answer is because it's impossible to do it correctly while doing it in a simple concise sentence, unless you ONLY mention the TYPE of defense, not the QUANTITY of the TYPE used. This is what Starlin did, which proves my interpretation is correct, and yours is just wrong. However, I know that you think I am wrong and just dismiss gramatical structure as "speculation." If you had done the excercise, you would have had the chance to prove me wrong, but you did not take up the opportunity.
^I'm going to rip this statement apart now. Thanos encountered Omega before the Hunger arc, as we've established. Thanos brought "3 powerful shields" against Omega, as the comic established. The goal of Thanos (WITH ALLIES to help him against Omega) was to neutralized Omega and stop him, so as to prevent his incomplete clone from wreaking destruction on the universe.
Now the Hunger arc, which occurs AFTER Infinity Abyss, has Thanos traveling to Galactus' vessel ALONE to CONFRONT him about his efforts to use the Infinity Gems. So again, Thanos goes to confront Galactus ALONE, with NO ALLIES, unlike the situation he had with Omega, where he had allies and brought 3 shields with him in addition. Thanos, obviously "prepares for every eventuallity" as he's mentioned frequently. Obviously, since he was ALONE, he knew the chance of Galactus just blasting him were high, and since Thanos was ALONE, he knew the chance of himself having to blast Galactus was even higher, in order to prevent Hunger's release.
Now you are going to argue, that Thanos thinks so little of Galactus, that he brings fewer shields than he had against Omega? You are going to argue, that with Strange, Genis, Warlock, Spider-Man, etc. by his side, and armed with 3 personal shields against Omega, Thanos goes against Galactus ALONE, with fewer than three shields??? So when Thanos says "activate all defensive shielding" he purposely brought fewer than 3 shields?
Let's remember what was at stake when Thanos confronts Galactus. Thanos confronted Galactus directly to prevent him from activating the gems. Activating the gems would release a DIMENSION DEVOURING being. Thanos was literally BEGGING Galactus...you and I know Thanos has never done sincerely BEGGED anyone before. We can conclude that Thanos was DESPERATE.
So, the threat of Hunger>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the threat of Omega.
Yet. Thanos brings fewer shields to stop the threat of Hunger, in which the outcome of failure was so dire that Thanos was begging like a destitute mother, than he did to stop the threat of Omega, against whom he had help.
That makes perfect sense. It makes perfect sense to you because Galactus uses "a" instead of "several".
So, you haven't explained at all. I've been the one doing ALL the explaining in this exchange. You've just reiterated your position over and over with no logical counterpoints, no scans, no rebuttals to the all the weakness in your argument that I've pointed out, like the one above I just finished typing.
I don't think anyone else is laughing aside from you. It's quite clear that I've illustrated several points while you accuse me of denial but yet, have NOTHING to back up your claims.
Yes, it doesn't add up when you take it LITERALLY. The point is you're not supposed to take it literally, if that escapes you, then I can't do anything about it except point out your error.
Ok. Omega is stupid. Not impressive.
Not from what was displayed. Not impressive.
That has nothing to do with this debate. Reread my posts because it's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "I know" that you aren't getting my points. Omega relying on tech more than Galactus, when Omega is supposed to be 2X more powerful? NOT IMPRESSIVE. You just coneded defeat on this point.
Fine. We never stated Omega could defeat Galactus in battle. So we agree.
Omega is not impressive. Impressive vs. Thanos and the heroes opposing him? Yes. That's what you contest and I understand that.
Omega impressive vs. Galactus, against whom we MUST compare Omega by default, since Omega is some sort of clone, purported to be 2X his power? NO. That's what I contest, and that's what you don't understand.
Galactus isn't shown at his full power. The showing u reference was the Black Celestial arc. Marvel has a history of portraying Big G as a jobber. Case in point many heroes defeating Big G and him bowing in a recent book. That's terrible. Marvel is so full of **** now days
He activated all shielding into one shield. He wasnt prepared for an all-out war with Galactus and used the shield he had access to at the time. He was prepared to go to war with Omega and had three shields on his own person. Thanos with prep>Thanos without prep. Thanos didnt want to have to engage Galactus,but desperate times warranted desperate measures.
Galactus refers to it as one shield so I believe like I have stated from the onset that he merged all defensive shielding into one shield. 3>1.
In the astral plane he could plainly see Galactus was well-fed. here is you trying to ignore the story for Galactus. Doesnt work that way sport. Galactus then specifically said that he depleted vital energies in dealing with Thanos. Omega was fine after hammering through three.
I know what I posted and stand behind it. Galactus referred to it as one and I have already explained its meaning imo.
No,Thanos was there to warn Galactus and when he realized that the fool would not see reason he blasted him and used all the shielding he had available to him at the time. Thats it. In the Hunger arc he wasnt there to go to war with him,but in the infinity abyss storyline he knew he was in for a war with Omega. Of course the shielding he has available is going to be less than the shielding he brings in an all out war.
I agree that Thanos would plan for any eventuality and thats why he had an impressive shield on hand. Had Galactus continued to assault him he wouldnt have lasted much longer. He has a shield ready to use if need be,but it was far from his best.
Thanos took out Hunger a lot easier than Omega. Sure,the Hunger threatened all of reality but it was something he took out basically on his own. He didnt need a well-orchestrated attack like he did against Omega to defeat the Hunger. He just needed to keep him busy with Galactus because the big boom. He needed lots of help and a fleet to destroy Omega.
You keep saying I have nothing backing up my statements but its you that is ignoring Galactus' very own statements to support your own. Then you ignore Thanos' statements concerning Omega's power level. Not only that but we have another character using his cosmic awareness to back up Thanos' statements. You are in denial. Thanos knew galactus and his chances of survival of the hunger blast were at around 60 percent yet he knows enough about Omega with regards to his weaknesses,how to defeat him,and yet is off on his power level?
Omega is more powerful than Galactus and was defeated by a much more impressive force that took down the devourer on earth and in his own devourer series. Omega is impressive and is more powerful than Galactus. Case closed.
That is up for you too show that anyway that means according to you that Thanos just combined the power of all his shields into one shield, so Galactus just broke through a shield that had the power of atleast three shields. So you are saying that Thanos decided to go on his loathsome own and face Galactus to stop him from realising hunger Unprepared? A strange assumption from you concideret the amount of intelligence you attribute towards Thanos, I didn't believe him to be that stupid. Allow me to clarify as Thanos always says he prepares for every eventuallity, that includes the possibility of him facing Galactus what Thanos didn't expect was that Galactus would break ALL his shields.
As mentioned again and again by Tenebrous, Galactus is commenting on the shields capacity for defense not the amount of shields being used.
So the Astral Plan gives a good assesment of the physical appearance of the given persons, I just failed to see any tentacles growing out from Thanos in the Physical world. I know the story about Galactus better then you can possibly imagine. Vital means absolutely necessary energy if he depleted those energies it means that he was already at a low powerlevel since the energies that was depleted was absolutely necessary for him. Ofcause Omega was fine what do you expect when he was at full power?
1. You have failed to PROVE, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Thanos brought 1 shield.
Now stop evading this challenge. Again, once more, for the sake of argument, let's assume Thanos did use one shield. Prove conclusively that he has multiple levels of shielding, yet still it constitutes 1 shield. "Activate all defensive shielding" were Thanos' exact words. Prove that all defensive shielding still constitutes one shield, otherwise you are speculating and this issue is terminated.
So Thanos was there to warn Galactus? Why was Thanos begging? Thanos prepares for war, but doesn't prepare for the possible end of not just the universe, but the entire reality? Exlpain this?
Also explain how Thanos mixes and matches shields to the situation at hand, as you insist? When has he done this before? Explain how someone of Thanos' intellect and preparation would purposely lower his defenses from one situation to another, as you insist? And no, we should discount the Infinity Gauntlet saga, where he purposely limited his powers. I want a real answer now.
Also explain how Silver Surfer has never killed Thanos, since Thanos must have brought maybe his weakest shields, as SS is not at all like going to war with Omega? Or, does Thanos keep his shields all the time, and the only change is upgrading?
There is no evidence there were three shields here. None. I grow tired of the speculation. You can think however you want to,but I choose to by the hard facts imo. Thanos wasnt completely unprepared. he had an impressive shield to protect him,but had Galactus finished he was done fore. thanos wanted to get Galactus' attention and warn him. he wasnt there to defeat Galactus like he was in the Omega situation.
I disagree again just like in every response to each of your posts.
No,he wasnt at a lower power level. Again,you are speculating and ignoring the context of the story. Thanos realized in the astral plane that he was well-nourished. You have no proof whatsoever that he wasnt. None.
Galactus needed to fee breaking through 1 shield while Omega easily broke through three. Thats my opinion and you have nothing in the story to substantiate your wild claims.
1.The burden is on you. Galactus said a mere forcefield. Therefore,the proof is on you to prove how many shields were there to conclude that Galactus was just being arrogant and that it was more than 1 shield.
I am not speculating. Thanos clearly said three shields in the Omega affair while he said all defensive shielding in the thanos series. Galactus' own words then say a mere forcefield. I dont know how you can see it any other way.
Yes,Thanos was there to prevent Galactus from this action because of the Hunger. He wasnt there to destroy Galactus. When he confronted Omega he was there to destroy him. If he was there to destroy Galactus he wouldnt just blast him once and beg him to stop. Think about it. That was a desperate action and he tried to act before Galactus released the Hunger.
Thanos called upon all available defensive shielding which Galactus referred to as one. I keep repeating myself because it hasnt sunken it yet. Thanos said three shields against Omega. A spade is a spade.
The problem is, Quachi that those "hard fact" has been taken analysed and thrown back in your face again and again with you failing to come up with any counter argument except hammering down that Tenebrous and me are wrong and that only you know the writers intention, repeatly it has been shown that Galactus is talking about the quality of the shields not the quantity if he was talking about the quantity then there was no reason for Galactus to admire Thanos Technology. Thanos was their to stop Galactus, Thanos already realised that his time was minimal Thanos tried and Thanos failed and had to resort to beg for his life.
Yes I have want them again? Galactus teleports himself into the midst of a supernova and is unharmed that happens after that the statement concerning Galactus powerlevel has been given from the astral plan, later Galactus stats that he has lost vital energy and is visible harmed from a planetary collision, now if you are under the laughable assumption that Galactus did infact go from Well Fed to very hungry in breaking the one shield, that you have failed to provide proof of, then you also believe that it takes more energy to blast through Thanos one shield then teleporting a entire Galaxy ore fighting Agamotto for a prolonged periode.
What is lacking is you providing the proof of your statement Quanchi as repeatly mentioned Thanos did show in his encounter with Omega that he had access to more then one shield, how you came under the assumption that Thanos downgrades his own protection for a encounter with Galactus alone and without help and with infinitely more at stake then against Omega is beyond me.
How about you instead began to open your eyes and read how Tenebrous have repeadly smashed your arguments to bits, I have just been the co producer.
This whole post is made of straw, man. You pullin out straw man arguments here...all form, no substance.
Your logic is so flawed.
There are two ways to interpret Galactus' statment.
1. Face value (your way)
2. Comparative statement (my way)
Face value means Galactus is making an observation. So in effect, if you go with this interpretation, Galactus is just observing what Thanos uses.
Now Thanos uses "all defensive shielding." Yet you mistakenly insist the burden of proof is on me.
Who is activating the shields, Thanos or Galactus? Who is calling on a stated number of shields, Thanos or Galactus? Who is making a statement in response to the shields called upon, Thanos or Galactus?
Explain what "activate all defensive shielding" means. You can stamp your feet all you want and say the burden of proof is on me but you haven't gone NEAR this statement because you have NOTHING to counter this.
You are essentially calling Thanos a liar and/or ignorant concerning his own technology. By implication, you are saying Galacuts knows more about Thanos' tech than Thanos himself does. By taking Galactus' words as a comparative statment (which I do, as well as being the grammaticaly correct way to interpret it), both characters are correct in their statements. However, since you insist on the banal face value of the statement, the result is you insist on overriding Thanos' own words for Galactus'. So now you have one character lying (THANOS) and one omniscient (GALACTUS). So Thanos himself doesn't know how many shields he uses, but of course Galactus knows, being a higher abstract entity.
And since you have such low faith in Thanos' own words, you decide he is actually telling the truth about Omega and his power levels. LOL at your nonexistant logic.
Clearly, your illogical reasoning is logical only to you. Once I have time away from work and at my machine I will post all necessary scans relevant to the discussion at hand so your false logic is exposed.
You are correct Thanos wasn't there to destroy Galactus. What you failed to mention is that Thanos blasted Galactus once, Galactus returned and nearly killed Thanos, and Thanos had NO RECOURSE but to beg. Do you think Thanos, who prepares for any eventuality, PLANNED TO BEG ON HIS KNEES like a male pornstar with his dick about to chopped off???
No, instead Thanos planned to prevent Galactus from releasing Hunger. Thanos was there to convince Galactus from going through with a plan that would (so Galactus hoped) rid the universe of his eternal hunger. Thanos is there to prevent an abstract entity from achieving its highest, darkest desire. And you are telling me that Thanos didn't even prepare for the eventuality that opposing Galactus' darkest wish would result in Thanos' very life being threatened? LOL. Why do you think Thanos WAS BEGGING Galactus to spare him just to hear him out?
I know what your answer is. Thanos planned to beg, so he brought weaker shields because he wasn't going to war against Galactus, like he did against Omega. You have analyzed the story in such small terms.
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I have stated my case over and over again. How many shields were there then? Im not repeating myself again.
Galactus was weakened imo by his encounter with Thanos and breaking through the forcefield. He states it right on panel. The rest is pure speculation like always.
Thanos went to talk to Galactus and hope he would listen to reason. He was prepared to defend himself,but really was at Galactus' mercy. He came to destroy Omega. He wasnt there to annihilate Galactus. He would come up with something better than one blast. Think about it,sport.
Tenebrous and you are way off. You both are desperately trying to ignore certain things and draw conclusions from your own interpretations and treat them as facts.
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