The novel isn't online yet so I haven't read it yet but I recall hearing that it took him great difficulty so that could be used against people saying he pulled it down with ease.
Meh, I know the novel makes the vader fight more diffiuclt than the game makes it out to be, as far as the emperor goes I would say that the emperor was feigning weakness which Galen evens says in the cutscene and I would quote this from the official databank Lightsabers clashed inside the Emperor's observation dome, but Starkiller was ultimately no match for the power of Darth Sidious.
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has anyone else noticed the hypocricy in this argument?? Sidious66 is saying that because weve not seen Mace take out other powerful force users out with just the Force like Dooku has, does not mean he cant.. he says Mace can do these things we just havent seen it yet..
and yet his argument for Mace being so uber and superior with the force to Dooku is the CW mini cartoon where Mace takes on an armada of droids, using Force TK(something he culdnt do in AOTC but never mind). well guess what?? weve never seen Dooku take on an armada of droids before either!!! so by your own argument that proves nothing! so stop using hypocricy, if u apply an argument for Mace, then the same applies vice versa for Dooku.
Neway proof that Dookus Force Mastery is superior is the 2 opponents that both Mace and Dooku have faced. Asajj Ventress and Sora Bulq. Though Mace was can comftobly beat both(especially Ventress) he did not take out either ANY WHERE NEAR as easily as Dooku, solely due to Dookus superior Force powers. He renders Bulq completley unconcious with his Force Lightning mid saber fight, and just compleltey paralayzes Ventress by lifting a finger. If Mace could do this then neither of those 2 would have escaped in Schism. ALso Dark Rendezvous calls Dooku the Temples "Most Learned in the Ways of the Force.." whens Mace's Force mastery been described as the best or most learned anywhere??
so thats it. Mace may or may not be Dookus superior in Sabers but all the evidence suggests Dooku is his superior in Force Mastery. Deal with it.
yeah except that wuldnt happen because in a Force fight with Obi1 Yoda would just instantly paralyze Obi1 like he did to Ventress. Especially if it was his mission to stop Obi1.
and watch the scene again where Yoda shoots the FL back at Dooku. He pushes his hand forward suggesting hes putting his own force into it as well.
seriously your making Yoda out to be a complete idiot. Just standing there doing nothing to stop Dooku when he apparantly easily could??? clearly Yoda wasnt too bothered about the Clone Wars starting??!!
Now Yoda is significantly superior to Dooku in the Force. But Dooku has proved hes one of the very elite who can even COMPETE with Yoda in the Force. Again deal with it.
We see dooku taking out more force users than Sidious, so i guess he is more powerful.
So because he didn't do so in AOTC, makes him doing so in CW non-canon. Besides it would have been foolish of him to use a massive wave in AOTC with a lot of jedi standing within his radius.
Did you read my other post where i quoted the directer of CW, stating that Windu was second to Yoda in terms of power.
You are the only one using that arguement. I never said Mace taking out the droids automatically made him Dooku's superior. I used it as an example of how powerful Mace was.
Dooku greatly hints that Sidious took him out with the force the same way the same way Dooku did Ventress. So, again, would that make Sidious greater than Yoda, since Yoda did not take Dooku out the the force
Well the directer of CW says he is second to Yoda, and that he is "the number two most powerful". Also GL says you have to be either Yoda or Windu to even compete with Sidious. Oh yeah and a full potential Anakin.
I just brought out proof he wasn't. Unless you claim to have more authority over the SW universe than the directer of CW.
That's the exact same logic you're using on the other thread. Make up your mind.
Since when is the word of a LucasArts worker not named Lucas canon?
Not that it matters; Mace may be the second most powerful Jedi, but Dooku is no longer a Jedi. He is a Sith Lord who has the benefit of being the "best" student to come out of the Temple in recent times.
Mace has Vaapad. Dooku does not.
According to Gideon, who cites some visual guide or another, Sidious killed Agen and Saesee before Mace knew what happened. Had the two been alone before Mace had managed to sink into Vaapad, Palpatine would've probably slaughtered him.
If you notice i am actually being sarcastic, and using his own logic against him.
What?
Except he didn't say jedi. He said number 2 most powerful, period.
It reminds of how people argue that the Statement " Sidious is the most powerful sith" can mean of his time only.
Oh so Lucas was refering to Mace's vaapad, which is still a force accomplishment.
So if Sidious was able to kill Windu that fast, Windu would not be a competition, thus making GL wrong.
Im not the one using arguements like " So and so can defeat so and so, because they beat more force users, even though there were hardly any force users for Mace to fight".
He did not specifically say second most powerful jedi. He said second most powerful.
The burden of proof is on you to prove he was refering to only jedi.
Nice try pal, every sarcastic or rhetorical remark thrown at you, you've taken literally.
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