What's the largest fire monter he's created? Something that can't be evaded? How does this monster move? A featureless environment must mean that Spider-man can web the dirtless floor and pull himself certain directions while airborne creating great mobility for himself. 500m is no distance when considering how fast and far Spider-man can leap. Show me an impressive fire creature created in moments as big as a cruise ship and fast to boot and I'll believe that Spider-man can't dodge any better than all the others that have dodged his attacks.
You're right, if he just decided to throw himself into a raging inescapable inferno he'd die from loss of oxygen, and be cooked like a side of meat. This however defies his character. Spiderman is a genius, he'd find a way to plug up Pyro's flame throwers.
he has made an inferno where he himself is standing in the middle surrounded by fire and using it to spring up multiple constructs..
his flame constructs have bn used to fight off the X-men and hold back and grab guys like collosus his flame monster has also bn strong enough to fight fixit as well... fire blast that temporarily stalemate concentrated optic blast from cyke.
spidey without PIS isnt coming up with anything to stop him or get through his flame heat shield that melt bullets centimeters from his skin.
Like you used facts and on-panel history to argue that Spider-man's webbing isnt fire-resistant? Or that Venom cant absorb symbiotes and see with his suit?
There's a thing called "constancy" that should also be taken into account, and Electro was constantly shown to be a medium threat. And one writer wanking him for 2 issues doesnt cancel his established powers. Spider-man's oneshotted Absrobing Man, yet you dont see me jump to Spider-man vs Colosus thread and say they'd stalemate each other.
And no need for the "old school comicbook fans" talk, please. I unlike some other posters never jump into an argument unless I've read plenty of showings with the character and know his average power level. The reason I didnt argue against Pyro in the first place. And im pretty sure you didnt know about Electro's current upgrade until we mentioned it.
Yet, you choose to take one good showings of the character ignoring his whole history and put him against Spider-man who constantly beats him on his average power level blaming it all on writers protection.
You know what, nevermind... Classic Electro is a low-heral level character and we are all ignorant for not seeing that earlier... our bad..
So? What are you getting with this? You've created 4 Spider-man related threads so you could argue against him to do what? To establish that he cant beat herald-level characters? Noone ever said he could. That he cant beat human torch if the guy goes nova? Again, noone ever said he could. But should he be able to beat most of his rogues, especially with prep? Yes he should and without any "writers protection" unless you count 99,9% of things that happen in all comics as "writer's protection". So again, you said you wanted to know where he stands with villain, now you know. Glad I could help. Just make sure that you dont ignore his feats next time you argue against other characters you dont want him to beat. Especially if its someone like Molten Man who's got nothing on him.
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once the flame is on he is no longer dependent on the hose.
spiderman can clog it all he wants it wont stop him from controlling expanding and creating more flame monsters and fire walls... where is spiderman going to go?
all he can do is run and stay away from Pyro's wall of flames and constructs like you said spidey aint throwing himself into the inferno and the webbing will eventually melt off...
hell, the temperature alone should effect spidey adversely fighting some one like Pyro...
You crate the thread and then basically say its impossible for Spider-man to even stand in the battlefield without dying. Way to admtt you intentially created a spite thread just to argue against a character you hate and to lowball decades of character's showings with the "writer's protection" argument.
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I believe that he can stand in the inferno but doesn't that make it impossible to see? You're the one who hates PIS as much as me so how about that. Does Pyro have some sort of unspoken ability to see through an inferno cause maybe that's why he's never inside of them except for this instance that you're using. Fire isn't see through so does Pyro see through the eyes of his many beasts? If you're going to get rid of the PIS get rid of all of it. Maybe his mask allows him to see through flames. Standing inside the flames is not something I can recall ever seeing Pyro do. I trust you though.
Look, KC. I apologise I was harsh yesterday. A really bad mood. Normally I dont get carried away like that. Even though I disagree with some of your points you always keet things civil. Its just I was around when it was concidered to be "cool" on KMC to make thread like Wolverine vs Juggernaut just so the people who didnt like the character could say "Logan gets raped/stopmed on etc" and I hated that. Guess the thread just reminded me of that. Not an excuse though. So again, sorry.
I agree that some of Spider-man's villains are out of his league, that's what makes it interesting to read the books, character finding a way to defeat more powerful enemies. That's what makes Spider-man, Batman etc so popular. But I disagree that means that everythig Spider-man does should be explained with writer's protection. When he fights characters that arent invincible he does it using his skills/speed etc like everybody else. Excpetions would be characters like Sandman who cant possibly be beaten without a plot device like firehydrant. But nothing wrong with that as he's near invulnerable for ordinary attacks. Most of the other enemies Parker fights aren't, so I dont see why he cant beat them with precog, superior speed, agility, class 10 punches or using his intellect.
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Or that Venom cant absorb symbiotes and see with his suit?
Way to admtt you intentially created a spite thread just to argue against a character you hate and to lowball decades of character's showings with the "writer's protection" argument.
