The Silver Surfer. I'm not downplaying Kril, but to say that it's an auto win because he is a PC user is BS. On top of this Skaar is immune to heat. It may affect him but he would not take full damage, and with his HF dealing with the rest that got through what are his chances of weathering Firelord's blasts long enough to get in his own hits?
Skaar's immunity to heat is irrelevant here as even those immune to heat (the Surfer) has been known to be hurt by Firelord's attacks.
Heralds have been know to destroy entire planets. Firelord has more than enough firepower to hurt Skaar sufficiently to take him down.
Firelord also flies and it is PURE PIS BS that he stood on the ground as Spiderman was beating on him as well as story-driven why he allowed himself to be beaten-on by Drax (where he wasn't even really fighting back til near the end). Forum rules dictate that he fights to the best of his abilities, thus it is more than likely he will blast Skaar from the air (like he did quite a few times during Annihilation).
Or he may be in character, Superman could blitz attack every opponent that he faces, and use his full array of powers in every fight, but he doesn't, and guys like Lobo, Eiling, Grundy, Konvikt... etc have beaten him. We can't just use the characters powers, and dismiss the characters mindset now can we? Firelord is a hot head, and when he does not get an insta win over his opponent he reverts to type. It is not irrelevant to say that a guy that is immune to heat could take Firelords blasts. The PC is a physical force it is not a magical one like Ghost Riders flames, or hell fire. No what you have stated is full of holes and pure speculation. There is absolutely no proof that his flame attack would hurt Skaar yet alone put him down, while ther is more proof that Skaar would weather such an assault and put Firelord through the paces. Skaar would win, because in the end it would be about character attitude and less about what the character could do. This would turn into a slug fest, and Kril would lose.
A few items to think about :
-Firelord has engaged in ranged attacks more than he's engaged in hand-to-hand. Top of my mind, I can name 4 instances in Annihilation alone where he peppers his opponents form long range rather than engage in melee. Also, pointing out TWO instances where he's engaged in h2h wherein one is PURE PIS and the other is story-based is a poor way of debating.
-Surfer is about as immune to fire as Skaar is. At least feat-wise they've both been demonstrated to have the same level of heat resistance. Firelord's been able to affect him quite fine. Thing is, Firelord's flame attacks are more cosmic energy blasts that look like flame than they are actual flames. It is more logical for the cosmic flames to affect Skaar than it is to argue that they would not.
-Your argument is just ASSUMING that Firelord would engage in melee combat to allow Skaar to win. That, in itself, is a poor argument.
Whaaaaaat? It's because of CIS that Skaar would win you mean? Don't think so. Pointing out 2 instances where Kril enganged in melee (especially since there is CONTEXT in both instances) doesn't establish his character as a melee slugger. That doesn't make sense at all.
Are you forgetting his battles with Thor, and how physical those battles became? That would be three more instances. What about Skaar makes you or anyone else believe that he is a static object that would remain still, and take a constant barrage of fire blasts? How much does anyone know about how the Old Power works? Could the Old Power deflect the Power Cosmic? Caiera was unaffected by cosmic based parasites known as the Spikes. How can anyone state that because Norrin was effected by Firelord's blasts that they would effect Skaar an Old Power user that uses it to amplify his personal body armor? He also has a very good healing factor like his fathers. As far as I'm concerned Skaar would do just fine against Firelord, and perhaps even cause Kril to doubt the effectiveness of his particular cosmic abilities.
We can't blindly compare Firelords gifts to the Surfer's, because they aren't the same. Nor should anyone blindly stumble onto the conclusion that because the Surfer could beat Skaar, that it gives Firelord, or Terrax, a free kick Skaar's @$$ pass. I simply don't buy it, firelord should not be able to hurt Skaar with his cosmic flame, simply because Skaar's resistance to this sort of attack is not due only to the fact that he is a gamma spawn, but it is also due to the Old Power that dwells within him, and would protect him from the PC like it would protect him from the cosmically powered spike parasites.
Skaar could also destroy a planet with his Old Power, just had to put that in there.
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Thor can fly and can attack at range, thus his approach in fighting someone like Thor would be different from someone like Skaar (who cannot fly and needs to be on the ground).
If you and your opponent could fly, you would no doubt engage your opponent with ALL your abilities. If you could fly and your opponent could not, wouldn't you just use your ranged abilities?
-And what makes you think Kril is this uber moron that would stand and trade wherein he can just (and has) simply blast Skaar from the sky?
-Not many knows except the writers, but what we DO know is that Skaar has been hurt by much less than planet smashing power that heralds have. Stating that the OP MIGHT somehow grant him the ability to deflect the PC is pure speculation.
-The Spikes don't have the PC so I don't know what relevance they have here. :-/
-And what has this "body armor" protected him from before? Post scans pls.
-The point is that we CANNOT treat the flames Firelord generates as standard heat/flame.
-Healing factor won't let him stay up against planet-busting power forever.
-Kril is not Gladiator, his power doesn't go up and down based on his confidence. That "doubting his effectiveness" statement has zero relevance here.
-Both Firelord and the Surfer gained their powers from Galactus, thus their powers have many similarities. Tho the Surfer is more adept and more powerful than Kril, doesn't mean we cannot draw parallels about HOW their power
s work.
-I only mentioned the Surfer instance because you asked for proof about the comparison between the PC and OP.
-MY point was that Galactus heralds have shown the power output to destroy planets. 100 trillion ton power is nothing compared to that. And it is due to POWER OUTPUT and the tactical advantaged of range and flight is what gives Firelord the easy win here.
-Again, the spikes =/= the PC. Last I heard, Galactus didn't empower a race of cosmic ticks with the Power Cosmic. :-/
Firelord's showings during Annihilation showed he is almost exclusively a range fighter. I know this much, Skaar ain't beatin a range fighter with herald level fire power.
The Spikes were and are cosmically powered parasites. They were unable to infect an Old Power user.
Skaar could have destroyed the planet if he had not stopped when he was siphoning power from the tectonic plates.
When has Firelord ever destroyed a planet, show me scans please, because I never saw it.
Firelord has been defeated by far less than planet destroying powers, in Annihilation a space barge filled with thugs whooped his @$$.
Yes Spiderman punched him out. So if we're going to go solely on low showings we might as well use the entire can.
Flight has never given anyone a decisive victory so please don't cling to this tripe as a means of Firelord winning. Should I give examples of flyers losing to people who could not fly?
Dumb Drax with the Power Gem was unable to beat Professor Hulk, and he would have killed Firelord if they really went at it for a period of time. Skaar IMO would defeat Professor Hulk. Skaar is on the level. All of this talk about Firelord turning Skaar into mud is BS. Prove that his PC flames can hurt Skaar. The Surfer is not Skaar nor is he an Old Power user.
-Ummm. If you're talking about him being KOd after he uses up the last of his energies to destroy the main mothership of the fleet AFTER he's drained himself from destroying the majority of the fleet as some sort of low durability showing for Firelord, then I don't really knw what to say here.... :-/
-Spiderman feat had CONTEXT (Firelord was weakened) AND is widely considered PIS. The fact that you bring it up shows the desperation of your argument.
-Actually, FLIGHT + RANGE can easily give one a decisive victory. Flight only loses its effectiveness when: A) the flyers are melee brawlers and must engage in melee combat. B) the nonflyer has a ranged attack. C) MAJOR PIS/CIS is invloved. None of w/c will be existing here. So HOW EXACTLY is Skaar winning this? Lemme guess, Firelord CONVENIENTLY lets him punch him in the face, right?
-Fact is, there is proof that points out that Kril's flames are not base fire/heat but are cosmically powered (and thus can affect heat/fire resistant targets). You insisting that Skaar's resistance to flame allows him immunity to something that is PROVEN to not be considered basic heat/fire is now simply desperate insistence.
Last edited by D_Dude1210 on Dec 15th, 2010 at 02:25 PM
Yes, but Thor could take Cain head on a lot better than Skaar and Skaar gets more powerful as well so his amping doesn't really help him that much. WW Hulk took Juggs head on and easily sidestepped him after whipping him once and going through two teams.
No, it's a testament to him tricking him enough to gain the upper hand which isn't a valid reason on a vs. forum there is no story so no chance if them just talking before they engage each other.
It's the power cosmic which defies science so whether a writer deems them science in a comic or magical they still defy our knowledge of fire and the are still vastly hotter than the flames Skaar walked through.
So it's "immune to the effects of fire". So what about solar radiation, like that produced by stars (and available to Firelord)? That's not fire. I'm even more convinced now that Firelord would pwn him more often than not.
PS Thanks for that.
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