Sure you know what I'm getting at. I explained the entire real time scenario to you.
It's not the hammer reactions that are in question, but Thor's reactions. He would not be able to do all of these things that PIS allows him to do in comics. The Hulk would be all over him before he could do any of the above. in fact the Hulk moves so many times faster than a bullet when leaping that Thor would not be able to react in time aside from bracing for impact, as seen in his battle with Tutinax. or he would have dodged him, and BFR's him. This did not happen because Thor is not what you are trying to make him out to be, nor is he impossible to hit.
1. No Thor does not instantly BFR the Hulk, he braces for impact, because he simply did not have the time to think of this. CIS on or off.
2. Thor is being brought down planet side, where HOTM pummels him into jelly.
3. No the team is hurled away by the impacts that are turning Thor into jelly and tofu.
No I am saying that Thor immediately sees a team and has to assess what measures must be taken to win. This is all of the time that it took for the Hulk to reach him and beat the life out of him. In the arctic a much weaker Hulk gave Thor hell, and Thor was not able to win that battle. WB Hulk is so much more powerful, durable, and faster than the Merged Hulk that it is ridiculous, and WB Hulk that we saw during the HOTM arc still did not reach a limit to the amount of power that he could attain. Thor get's dusted here. Typical Thor or Thor going for broke would still lose, because his thought processes are not computer like, he does not possess a tactical PC in his head like Nova telling him to brace for impact, or throw up your shields. He does not have the Flash's reaction speed, or Spiderman's danger sense. He can be hit, and has been hit in the past, and would be hit by a guy that can reach him faster than you touch your arm.
BOOM The Hulk is already on Thor. What does Thor do?
When Thor hit Tutinax with all of his might, did Tutinax get launched 100 miles away or did he continue to assault Thor a moment later? Tutinax is much weaker than WB Hulk.
Thor can easily react to bullets like they're paper airplanes to you or me. Thor hits the ground with his hammer. Bye bye Hulk. You can't even prove one attack will defeat Thor when he's survived far more powerful beings than WB Hulk. You're just not educated enough to know any better.
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So, basically, you're arguing that Thor's displays of speed and reflexes and skill don't count. Even though on panel he's reacted to instant telepathic bolts, tagged beings such as Gladiator and Silver Surfer, reacted in the span of milliseconds, dodged a possessed Mjolnir toss intended to strike him across the back of the head, and like Hulk, has moved or reacted faster than a bullet?
And in the same breath, you're clinging to Tutinex being the be-all end-all display of how a fight between CIS-off Thor vs. WBH and his pals would go? I wasn't aware that single fights instantly dictate a character's abilities and capabilities as opposed to their entire decades long history.
I'm not arguing Thor is too fast to be hit or is untouchable. I already said he's not. What I am arguing is that, per the OP, Thor has tools at his disposal that Hulk has no answer for. And yes, Thor can instantly BFR Hulk faster than Hulk can leap at him and attempt to pummel him into submission. Feats support this as a whole, but if you want to stick with Thor vs. Tutinex as the clear cut and defined example of how this fight would go, by all means. Doesn't make a lick of sense, but whatever.
You're telling me Hulk thinks "Jump at Thor and hit him" and acts on it faster than Thor thinks "BFR Hulk instantly"? Wasn't aware Hulk was the "Fastest One There Is", too.
It's also funny how you cite Thor not sending Tutinex hundreds of miles away with a strike as means that he wouldn't do the same to WBH - even though I'm arguing he literally teleports him to God knows where in an instant - but choose not to bring up Thor one shot orbiting Nul-Hulk.
Again, and hopefully for the last time:
If this was a typical Thor fighting Hulk in character, you might have a point. But per the OP, it's not. The sooner you accept this, the sooner we can all move on.
Thor has far greater reaction feats than bullets which he easily shows he can react to. You really need someone else to argue or make your points for you because this hasn't gotten quite ridiculous.
Thor can also instantly BFR, as in forcibly teleport the Hulk, anywhere in the Nine Realms or beyond he chooses.
Given Thor's own speed and reflex feats and the speed in which Mjolnir's various powers can be enacted, I do find Hulk reaching Thor before he gets teleported away highly improbable.
Tutinex fought and defeated Thor two times, giving me the impression that he is most certainly on the level. if Thor would have come back in the next fight and beat him down like a rag i would say that Thor was above him physically but this was not the case.
So this is what I am saying. If the Hulk reaches Thor it is over. This is based on his past performances against a far weaker Hulk. If Thor can BFR the Hulk before this time then he would go on to likely win this.
However A bullet travels at 2 057.98139 miles per hour x 1000 = 2,057,980 mile per hour. This is pretty fast. Is it impossible for the Hulk to reach Thor? The Hulk has a very good chance of reaching Thor, and turning this into a beat down. Thor would not win this if WB Hulk turned this into a physical match. based on past performances.
You don't add anything to a debate, you just attempt to negate things, and try to make people believe that certain things are impossible. This is why Jake is really the only one worth debating this issue, because he can be objective, and see that there are possibilities. You on the other hand, have an ego problem, and for you it's just about the win, even if your argument holds no weight. Which it does not.
I'm still not sure why you're so intent on focusing on Tutinex so much. Thor's entire history speaks for itself, not just one fight. If that were the case, I'd cite Thor's battling of Infinity aka Insane Odin or something else.
CIS off Thor using his most powerful abilities at the start of the fight is completely different than the Thor we typically see in comics. The OP changes the game significantly.
You don't have enough knowledge about either character to really know. You like the Hulk. I also enjoy both the Hulk and Thor but in a thread in which Thor can bfr him with a simple movement there's nothing the Hulk can do. You are also basing it off a a few recent fights while dismissing Thor's entire history mainly because you have no idea.
Tutinex is recent. This is why I am pressing the issue, as he weighed Thor on a physical level. We saw what Thor could do against him.
This as you can imagine could be argued until we broke our fingers off. I believe that the answer to this battle without stretching it into a 4 million page yawn is this.
1. If HOTM Hulk possibly reached Thor, that a physical confrontation favors the Hulk based on Thor's past performances against a far weaker Hulk.
2. If Thor BFR's the Hulk, he would go on to defeat the rest of the field, and come out the winner of this.
That isn't a retort I had a few key points in there which you refuse to address. You can't base Thor's entire history off a few fights with Tutinax. You will continue to do so while proclaiming the Hulk JUMPS. HULK JUMPS. What is Thor going to do when he's mesmerized by Hulk's vertical. Get a serious argument.
If you are incapable of realizing how fast the Hulk's first move is then there is simply nothing to debate with you. Your points as you are trying to press are full of sh1t. They have not addresses the speed at which the Hulk would reach Thor, and the possibility of him making this physical, which has a high probability of actually happening. i don't have to switch my stance, because this is the tactic that the Hulk would use to reach Thor. These are the only two possible scenarios that would happen within the first few seconds of the fight. Read below.
Thor's reacted to movements faster than Hulk's first movement. You never ever had an argument. Tutianx is recent but isn't his only recent battle. You can't base it off this when the op made every option available to him. You don't even grasp this which is sad really.
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If WBHulk was able to grab Thor, he wouldnt really need more than one direct punch to end the fight. Problem is Thor can BFR hulk faster and Hulk really has no defense against it. Thor can take out the rest of the team fairly easily so Thor wins.
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I agree 100% with this. This is Thor fight to win. Hulk is the main target...bfr him and the rest gets stomped. Even though Thor fight crazy sometimes, I wouldn't consider him stupid. Thor seeing green radition flying off Hulks body, killing his comrades would automatically make him realize this is a hulk he needs to stay far away from and a Hulk that he doesn't want to get punched by either. Common sense would make him realize that bfring is the best option and for anyone to think Thor doesn't have this is lowballing the character.
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