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[QUOTE=15225434]Originally posted by ares834
I'm ok with your opinion I just believe different however this is not a battle of mcgonagall vs snape I've created a different thread for that this is bellatrix mcgonagall and snape vs voldmeort.
Voldemort was fighting 3 people at once. It wasn't this same group, but he also fought off Dumbledore. I think he'd win in the end.
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I understand and I don't have any problem with it. (Don't let Quan see that post he will say, movie feats only) Yes these are people with different skill levles. With that I believe with Snape being on another level entirely than Horace and bellatrix defeated Kingsley and they were able to pressure him and he only won due to being upset from bellatrix being killed. However in this battle he doesn't have anyone to get upset with. Also with the new competiton and bellatrix and snape have knowledge of his power and no horcruxes. However these three together I think can give even dumbledore trouble.
There is also possession to consider, Voldemort has that power.
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Snape can definitely defend agaisn't it and also, he did that move while he and dumbledore were at a pause leading me to believe he can't do it in a pitched battle. Also the other two are also powerful occlumist.
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The only lead bellatrix has is that she speciaffacly taught the ability to Draco to defend against dumbledore, but mcgonagll all we can go off of is her mastery of magic. Also Harry managed to force him out and the other two are definitely more powerful and skilled than Harry so I don't think possession can work.
Look at the reasons it failed on Harry: probably in part because of their connection, but also Harry's own "goodness" was given as a reason.
Now McGonagall is good. Snape..not so much good, but not evil and also has mental defenses. Bellatrix on the other hand..is quite evil.
Also remember even though possessing Harry gave him problems he was able to do it for a very short amount of time, long enough to egg Dumbledore on to get him to kill Harry. So, for instance, it is possible he could possess McGonagall long enough to merely just have her snap her own wand in half, and then move on to Bellatrix.
It is true we know Bellatrix taught Draco some occlumency, but it doesn't mean she was on Snapes level. Let's be honest, Snape didn't try his hardest to get into Draco's head.
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However bell arris also has mental defense as she was able to train Draco to use occlumency and he was able to block out snape. With that I believe possession isn't going to be a trump card.
Like I said, do you believe Snape was going all out trying to get inside his head? I don't. They were in the hallway right outside a room to a party going on. I don't think Snape went all full on mind rapey right then and there.
Plus he could just possess McGonagall for a bit, snap her wand in half or use her to attack the others. Her being a strong witch doesn't mean she is good at occlumency.
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Good question. Why wouldn't he though. What reason would he have to not go all out. He didn't need to use a wand I believe. It would have been silent. So good question but yes I do believe he was going all out as I can't fathom a reason to why he would hold back.
I'm not sure he could do it in a pitched battle. Also I'm sure bellatrix and snape combined could get him out of their and also she is a good person as you said and her love and will to survive could force him out.
Most of the people who stood against him did so because he was coming either way. We saw them all sit back and take it when he showed up with Harry's body. Neville is the only one who showed courage prior to Harry getting up.
People stood against him long before Harry was born. The reason they briefly gave up was because Harry was believed to be the key to winning. Without him I'm sure they figured it was pointless until Longbottom started up
So you believe without Harry they didn't think they stood a chance. Here I will explain what actually happened. They were demoralized at that point. They fought so hard to protect Harry from him. Voldemort showed up taunting and with Harry supposedly dead. Neville despite not knowing he was alive gave a speech and then Harry pops up which completely reinvigorated the "good guys." Harry popping up is what significantly changed the morale while Neville definitely added to it.
People weren't going to roll over and die but no one daring to oppose him prior to these events show the power he had over the wizarding world prior to the events I just mentioned.
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Key word acted. Neville just ran up there blatantly and didn't put up a sheild so knocking him out isn't that impressive.
Mcgonagll challenged snape. The headmaster and don't give the crap that she had the backing of many other order members she didn't sep up when they showed up, she stepped up when Harry was threatened. So she has bravery. Also I'm not sure how this works but offscreen she approached voldemort before she had the aid of the other two and fought him by herself for a while before the other two came along if I'm not mistaken. That isn't cowardice that's bravery. Also she couldn't do anything, and was shocked by the death of Harry they all were even the kids except Neville. Is what your trying to say is Neville is the only brave person.
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May 26th, 2015 04:15 PM
Yes these are people with different skill levles. With that I believe with Snape being on another level entirely than Horace and bellatrix defeated Kingsley and they were able to pressure him and he only won due to being upset from bellatrix being killed. However in this battle he doesn't have anyone to get upset with. Also with the new competiton and bellatrix and snape have knowledge of his power and no horcruxes. However these three together I think can give even dumbledore trouble.
