That's a peculiar opinion to have considering I have very rarely made my ideological opinions, what few I hold, public on the forum. So does Robtard believe that the vast majority of the American public should be barred from voting? Because that's one such viewpoint I've expressed. Does he think that most Islamic cultures and quite a few other ones are inherently inferior to, say, our own? Because that's another view I've unashamedly expressed. I know for a fact that Robtard disagrees with my assertion that blowing the brains out of any intruder with unknown intentions in your home is perfectly a-ok.
You don't have any idea where my ideological alignments are phaggot. Stop looking for something you can use to offhandedly dismiss my criticism of your behavior.
The person here holding others to different standards if you nerd, specifically you hold your ideological opponents (such as Robtard) to different standards from yourself, seeing as how you mock them for not putting forth any effort into debating you when your views when you put none into presenting them. Ironic that much of what you just claimed about me is applicable largely to you.
There is a world of difference between saying "affirmative action exists" and using reason and legitimate sources to support the viewpoint that it is "bad". Affirmative action and the idea of the wage gap exist? Whoa, you've really opened me up to a whole other world here my man, I had no idea.
You brought up the fact that those talking points exist, but provided nothing valuable concerning them. Why should anyone else do differently?
Yeah, I found that defense weird, I can only think of two viewpoints we really gel on, 1) Women are by large horrible people 2) Trumpers are by large idiots
I'm not that versed on the subject but the main response I see to the wage gap is the idea that essentially it is explained mostly by different career choices made by men and women, and the fact that (usually) if they want to have a family it is the woman's career that is more likely to take the hit.
I've heard the 70 cents to a dollar statistic, for instance, is just based on taking what men earn on average vs what women earn on average, regardless of what jobs they hold.
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If it's that important to you and Beni I'll address it later this week since due to a scheduling conflict at my work I have most of this week off. Either in this thread or the BBC pay gap thread.
Fair enough on the ideological motivation, that's something I'm willing to concede I was presumptuous to assert and I apologize. I do however maintain the stance that you hold some contempt for me that you don't for Robtard and that you are allowing this to motivate you into holding us to different standards.
For somebody posturing you have some rather childish insults more befitting an angsty middle-schooler than a serious debater.
And no I'm not holding him to different standards, because unlike me, he was made aware of my post, he continued to post on the exact same page of that thread right after my post, and when I challenged him to respond to my post he directly acknowledged that statement. If I am still being challenged to respond to Beni's post that's something I'm willing to do in the next few days. I am fully willing to stand behind my opinions despite them being challenged.
The implication he made in this thread is that white males in America are not victims of systemic discrimination, and whether or not you want to argue that discrimination on the basis of race and sex is justified, the fact remains that the examples I cited are more than enough to prove that white people and men in America are systemically discriminated against by certain policies on the basis of race and sex. And though the focus of my post was that systemic racism and sexism against males and white people exists in the form of specific policies rather than arguing its badness or goodness, Robtard's previous post in this thread implied that systemic racism and sexism are inherently bad things, so I don't see why I need to prove those two things are bad when they are stances he holds.
The difference between the wage gap and policies like affirmative action, diversity quotas and the draft is that the cause of the gap between the earnings of men and women is something that can and has been debated, whereas it's completely and utterly indisputable that affirmative action, diversity quotas, and the draft discriminate on the basis of race and sex, even if you want to argue those things are somehow justified.
If the issue is that I haven't proven discrimination on the basis of race or sex is a bad thing (which should honestly be something everyone should agree with), I intended this week in my time off from work to make a case on another forum for promoting equality through individualism (having policies that hold everyone to the same standard) rather than equality through collectivism (holding people of different groups to different standards to try and promote equal mean or median incomes for all groups). When I make that case I'll post it here in case anyone actually hold on to the archaic notion that in some cases racial and sexual discrimination is justified.
I have plenty of things I intend on doing this week while I have some time off from work. A post on individualism vs collectivism, a post tearing apart the wage gap, a debate with someone where I argue against ethnonationalism, an email to a professor I respect, among other things I have to type up on the internet, spending some social time with my friends, so this will be my last reply to you. I'm not gonna waste any more time in a pissing contest with someone as immature as you when there are actual serious debates and ideological discussions I could be taking part in, and when I have every intention of addressing your criticisms in the next few days.
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They're not as fact. Take your example of affirmative action: Did some white men not get a job they were more qualified for, yes, that did happen and it's shit, as the best person for the job should always be policy, unfortunately it's not. But has this affected hetero white males like say Black people or women in the American workforce of he best person not getting the job do to ethnicity, color or sex? No, it has not; it's not even close
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tl;dr version: The odd examples of discrimination against hetero white males does not make an epidemic nor does it make it the standard
My problem with affirmative action is that it seems like lowering the bar for certain groups in order to maintain what is seen as an ideal racial pie chart. I don't think that is the right kind of solution to the economic disparity among races. If you are going to address that it should be in the form of investing the the communities you feel have been disadvantaged in hopes that their academic performance will improve and lead to a greater presence of that group in American Universities and companies.
^ That would be a better way to deal with the problem. I don't really see a downside to fixing the education system in impoverished areas. Giving the youth options instead of handing a few of them free jobs.
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An important difference is that racism against black people is not instantiated as a standard in law or in university admissions or in diversity quotas for companies. Discriminating against minorities and women can actually be prosecuted under a court of law if there is an example that becomes apparent, but even the supreme court has upheld that discrimination against white people is a-okay.
I'm not trying to argue there isn't racism against racial minorities, but there's a difference between individual employers defying existing laws to discriminate against racial minorities, and the law itself being discriminatory or courts of law defending discrimination against specific groups. It's more of a concern to me if the government is sanctioning discrimination than if people are defying the law to discriminate.
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I would add that saying "they haven't suffered as much as group X" is not the same as saying "they haven't been discriminated against." That seems like a rather obvious shifting of the goal posts.
The level of discrimination doesn't have to be "an epidemic" in order for it to be "systematic," it just has to be built into the system. If you're saying that part of the system is that it screws over more qualified white candidates, then you are basically conceding that the system is in fact designed to discriminate against white people.
Aside from that, it's more than just white people... when it comes to universities, asians have an ever higher bar to meet because of their on-average success in the academic realm.
And really, is the fact that the policy in question is not as not nearly as damaging to whites and asians as the legacy of white supremacy was on black people even a remotely good defense of said policy? Talk about setting the bar low.
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The fact of the matter is that it's a lot more concerning if the government's sanctioning discrimination. The best step we can take towards equality is having a government that holds everyone to the same standard.
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Uh oh, Robtard's original point was that it's dumb to act like it's hard to be a straight white male in America, not that they face no discrimination at all. Sad to see folks lying to score points with their alt-bronies.
Indeed, it comes down to career choices, you aren't being paid less because you lack a dick.
It's suddenly taboo to talk about because then people have to face the stark reality that men and women tend to have different wants and needs, on average. This used to be common sense, but now it's not. There are exceptions to every rule, so ignore the screeching feminist who thinks you're implying all women are lazy pieces of shit by pointing out on average they tend to work less hours per week and take more time off even when you factor in maternity leave.
Nobody seems to ever explain why, if you can legally just pay a woman less, why all employers just do not hire nothing but women? Just so I'm clear: people are willing to take advantage of cheap labor via illegals, but draw a line in the sand if the person has a vagina? Nope, doesn't fly.
Do you want some comedy? Watch actress and feminist Kristen Bell totally kill her own narrative about this with this commercial:
Let me make this clear: she isn't joking in this video lol. If she was it would be funny. The video is still funny, but for reasons that Bell did not intend. But yeah, I say again: not a parody, she is 100% serious.
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Exactly, it's government sanctioned racism. Here is the sad truth: I bet you if tomorrow Trump said "we're getting rid of AA" some people would cry racism lol.
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To be fair, the line that Afro cheese quoted did make it look like you were saying that it doesn't happen at all. Your earlier posts do more of a comparison so I was a little confused with the quote as well.
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