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This duo will have sh1t sync energy. I see this playing out similarly to Dooku vs Kenobi and Anakin on Oba Diah initially, only this time Dooku won't be able to run away when he begins to tire.
Dooku would have to resort to telekinesis or martial arts to get Kenobi off his back in order to deal with Maul due to the former's impenetrable Soresu as this point.
Separating the duo shouldn't be too difficult considering how uncoordinated they'd be with Maul's aggressive juyo, coupled with a cumbersome saber staff, trying to mesh with Kenobi's defensive Soresu all while trying to land a blow on a master of footwork and strike-dodging.
Kenobi would be forced to go on the offensive to keep up and aid Maul, which would in turn expose him to a variety of tricks up Dooku's sleeve. Remember, it's whenever Kenobi gets aggressive that he gets manhandled.
I see Kenobi as a hindrance to Maul more than anything. Hell, Maul and Savage made a mediocore team to begin with. Just rewatch Sidious vs the duo. They were uncoordinated in their attack sequences and easily separated. Same can be said for their Florum fight with Kenobi.
Dooku has a better chance of winning when they're together IMO.
When he downs Kenobi, it'll just be Maul v. Dooku which is the determining factor.
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Maul and Savage were actually pretty well coordinated against Sheev, visually, they were just outclassed.
I would give Maul and Savage the win just because their strengths mesh together properly and will cause serious issues for Dooku. As you point out this isn't so much the case with Kenobi.
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Dooku is the superior fencer, but Maul has an unorthodox weapon and superior martial prowess on his side.
Yeah but Dooku struggled against Ventress and Savage. So by all accounts he wouldnt stand a chance against Maul and Savage.
That Maul was also still in recovery and limited by his chicken legs. Even more so in a confined area.
So pointless example to bring up on Dookus behalf.
True though about Dooku always having had Kenobis Number. But Kenobis also never gone into full defence mode against Dooku, which is when Kenobi fights at his best.
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I like how willing people are to use Kenobi as the sole benchmark for Maul and Dooku, but conveniently ignore that Maul godstomped Savage, who flattened Dooku.
It's almost like styles make fights or something.
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Kenobi has had many opportunities to stomp him and hasn't, nor have Ventress or Anakin. He flattened Dooku fair and square, there was no rage amp or telekinesis involved. He's just a bad match up for him.
The only people who have stomped him outside of his most basic training days are Maul and Sidious.
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Do these feats mean Dooku is stronger than Anakin?
Before Savage's "most basic training days" he single-handily defeated a jedi master and his padawan using a basic melee weapon utilizing speed, strength, and maneuvering ability.
Dooku stomping him after that mission is a valid feat as Savage already possesses enough skill at that point to do what some fully trained jedi cannot.
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I meant this, which was without any "rage amps" or "telekinesis."
The danger of making assumptions is you end up attacking strawman arguments.
Horseshit. The only time we see Dooku stomp Savage is the first time we see Savage using a lightsaber, which, btw, is after a few months of incredibly hasty training to begin with. If Dooku was truly capable of stomping him, he wouldn't have been flattened as shown earlier.
But sure, keep attacking strawman arguments and pretending defeating Knox and Halsey is relevant.
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You merely adopted Maul. But Kurk was born with Dooku, molded by him, he didn’t even see Zonakin until he was a senior member and by then he was merely hyperbole.
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Obi-Wan was more or less irrelevant all three times he fought Dooku. There is zero reason to believe that he would be any more of a threat here. He is not powerful enough to withstand a concentrated Force attack from Dooku, and he also falls behind in lightsaber skill. The team also lacks synergy {especially with regards to fighting styles}, and while Maul is an incredibly skilled lightsaber combatant, he, similarly to Obi-Wan, lacks the power to ultimately compete with Dooku. Decent fight.
To begin with, Anakin and Obi-Wan did well, pushing Dooku back and destroying the B2 droids. Realizing that each Jedi was a threat on their own, Dooku abruptly switched tactics.
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Fair point, but I fail to see how the source comes to that conclusion. Dooku twice removed Obi-Wan from the fight, and had he been on his own, Dooku would have killed him in about 10 seconds. Sources are not always accurate in situations such as these {for example, I think it was a Fact File that claimed that Yoda and Dooku could not defeat each other in Force combat, and another source stated that Mace had to give everything he had to beat Ventress}. So I question the remark and I believe that my case is adequately described above.
That said, I suppose I am willing to concede my phrasing, but the rest of my post still stands. Would you mind sharing the entire excerpt, though?
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A great illustration of the mismatch between the elegance of Dooku and the raw strength of Savage. He does something similar to both Obi-Wan and Kenobi later. Anyway, Dooku was foolish to try to directly block Savage's overhead strike like that single-handed. During their brief scrimmage Maul deflected, guiding away, Savage's two strikes rather than meeting it head-on, presumably knowing better than to go head-to-head with someone physically larger and stronger. It was due to a combination of Maul's craftiness and Savage's poor defenses that he proved his dominance.
Why is it horseshit? Opress clearly possessed enough skill prior to his handling of an actual lightsaber to out-move and over-power two jedi. The nightsisters who attacked Dooku with Ventress were also presumably using lightsabers for the first time, yet they performed exceptionally well against someone considered to be second or third to Yoda in light-saber combat.
The way I see it, Dooku was stomping Opress the entire time during that fight by dodging every single one of his attacks. He only made contact with him during that one head-on block which ended badly, not due to a lack of skill, but a physical deficit.
What are you arguing again?
Context?
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He got in a Force push once that did nothing to Kenobi, it's not any more impressive than Yoda force pushing Sidious, and we know how that turned out. As for the 2nd one, there are 2 sources implying Kenobi could've countered Dooku's choke, but it was just too fast. In an other source he doesn't even ragdoll just got a lucky force push that knocks Kenobi out. Couple that with my above quote and the fact that they are both Tier 8 combatants and Dooku ain't stomping Kenobi on the regular basis.
I don't have it, ask Myth.
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Had Kenobi been on his own and fought fully defensively like he did against ROTS Anakin or against Rebels Maul, then theres little to suggest Dooku would stomp.
I mean, here I am crafting arguments( generally speaking, not right now) for Kenobi to be close to Dooku, and here there is discussion going on about him stomping outright.
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