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CatL18
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Was not the Presence likewise shown as not all powerful?

I don't think so.
Presence is all powerful as long as writers and people in multiverse wish him to be all powerful.

Oct 24th, 2019 12:53 AM

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I don't think so.
Presence is all powerful as long as writers and people in multiverse wish him to be all powerful.

I'm not a big reader of Vertigo. I was just reading the comments below with many an argument against him being all powerful. Apparently in DeMatteis Spectre, he is described a only an aspect of God and that he was killed by Gabriel and tricked by Lucifer.

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:479125?useskin=oasis

It's questionable whether an all powerful being can be shaped by human desire and I figure that TOAA is all powerful if the writers desire.He also can't kill The Great Evil Beast.

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Presence is all powerful as long as writers and people in multiverse wish him to be all powerful.

"X is as powerful as the writers make him," is stupid argument because it can be said of any character.

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I'm not a big reader of Vertigo. I was just reading the comments below with many an argument against him being all powerful. Apparently in DeMatteis Spectre, he is described a only an aspect of God and that he was killed by Gabriel and tricked by Lucifer.

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:479125?useskin=oasis

It's questionable whether an all powerful being can be shaped by human desire and I figure that TOAA is all powerful if the writers desire.He also can't kill The Great Evil Beast.

The Spectre is power by God's wrath, which is limited. But he's not a facet of God.

The Great Darkness is the Yin to God's Yang, but I'm not sure the Swamp Thing ties into Sandman and Lucifer canon.

Oct 24th, 2019 09:56 AM

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GEB would also kill TOAA, this is a non comparison

Marvel is just not up to DC's scale

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How do y'all get off saying one multiverse is more powerful than another? That's entirely your opinion

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no, DC has a bigger cosmo, Marvel multiverse for starter is only 3-d, and currently it's arguebly not infinite

DC has layers of existences each infinitely larger than the previous one

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Marvel has other dimensions as well.

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He also can't kill The Great Evil Beast.

It was later revealed that if Spectre has been exercising his full power, he could have stopped GEB on his own:
https://i.imgur.com/Rg0AjE7.jpg

So obviously The Presence would be far above GEB as well.

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"X is as powerful as the writers make him," is stupid argument because it can be said of any character.

I agree that it's a poor argument.

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Spectre is power by God's wrath, which is limited. But he's not a facet of God.

I was saying that it was allegedly stated in his Spectre book that The Presence is a facet of God.

Oct 24th, 2019 01:45 PM

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The Presence created Spectre to be the mirror for his desire for justice:
https://i.imgur.com/HWeszlW.jpg

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Oct 24th, 2019 01:51 PM

Galan007
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*Off topic ramblings deleted.

Stoic, please... Stop.

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Oct 24th, 2019 05:24 PM

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So, has The Presence shown fallibility?

Apr 13th, 2020 05:21 PM

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Yes he has

There are things he doesn't know and things that go out of his plan

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THERES ALOT more evidence btw. Waiting for somebody to disagree rolling on floor laughing

Apr 13th, 2020 05:28 PM

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Marvel has other dimensions as well.

Doesn't Tiboro reside in the 6th dimension?

Apr 13th, 2020 05:51 PM

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Yes he has

There are things he doesn't know and things that go out of his plan

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what exactly is that plan? Can you explain that?

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The Presence created Spectre to be the mirror for his desire for justice:
https://i.imgur.com/HWeszlW.jpg

I always like that run with the Presence being an ass to Spectre and Stranger as a mere dog.

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AlbertoJohnAvil
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What is that diesidude kid saying? laughing out loud

I hope its not something stupid again. The guy claims to have lack of knowledge on comics and yet gives his opinion on majority of it

Apr 13th, 2020 09:40 PM

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Presence wins

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What is that diesidude kid saying? I hope its not something stupid again. The guy claims to have lack of knowledge on comics and yet gives his opinion on majority of it

I�m asking a question, you lying ignorant troll. What�s the plan? You�re trying to make a point by copying and pasting a scan you have no clue about.

Apr 13th, 2020 11:30 PM

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