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Spiderninja008
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lol like a whore, thats funny, didn't know u pimped that way. newhose, first of all, that fight between supes and hulk was rigged, cuz it was voted on (I think it was astablished earlier that the cross over battles between Marvel and DC no longer held in these debates? That's probably y the comic was made, to show how hulk would really handle things. Yes the comic was rigged, but that fight between him and supes was rigged as well.
1. Hulk is not slow.
2. The angrier Hulk gets, the more able he becomes to overcome any obstacle. He becomes stronger, faster, more durable, and has a stronger healing factor as well.
3. Someone like Gladiator would easily piss Hulk off.
4. Hulk has been known to pull power out of his ass, if you read the comics (Abomination {who always starts off stronger than the Hulk}, Silver Surfer, Astroid that was large and powerful enough to destry the world, Imitation hulk who started off stronger than the hulk, etc.) that's what he does for a living......what's your point?
5. Hulk's confidence never shakes.
6. Gladiator did hit Hulk and thought him dead like most mortals.
7. Hulk's un ending and ever increasing rage is more than cannonball can pull out of his ass, cannonball got lucky, but Luck has nothing to do with the Hulk, except staying out of his way.
8. The whole bear hug thing never worked against Hulk, Supes tried it and got ***** smacked by hulk's strength back in the day.
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Spiderninja008
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Don't get me wrong, I love Gladiator.
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So you admit that the fight was rigged in favor of Hulk, yet you also mentioned that the writters wrote it to show how Hulk would really handle things. Fight was rigged, ment to show how Hulk would REALLY handle things...against Superman or a Superman clone in this case. Gladiator never had a chance in this book did he? It's not about being fair and accurate; it's about how the fight between Hulk and Superman should have gone, that is with Hulk the victor.
Hulk didn't pull powers out of his ass, he pulled knowledge of a weakness Gladiator never had out of his ass and used it to beat Gladiator. As for Superman Vs. Hulk, you're right. However, Superman still would've beaten him. Has Hulk ever won in a crossover with Superman? Furthermore, Gladiator was written to fight like an idiot. Hulk gets faster but in no way is he on par with Gladiator or Superman. Superman moves at light speed or faster and Gladiator is much faster than light.
You love Gladiator? Or so you say. You, nevertheless, seem to love Hulk even more.
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Oct 30th, 2004 02:04 AM |
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Spiderninja008
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Beyonder: "You love Gladiator? Or so you say. You, nevertheless, seem to love Hulk even more."
....no, I just think Hluk is a potential supreme force in the MU. It's like an old saying,
"The victory does not always go to the fastest or strongest, but to the one who believes he can win."
Hulk doesn't give up, and nothing sways his opinion on winning a match, NOTHING AND NOBODY. Know Y??........cuz Hulk get angry, HULK Smash!!!!!!!!!!!....period, end of story. That's my argument. Not that Gladiator can't win, but Ultimately, Hulk Smash. Hulk has turned over more loosing fights than George Bush has had stupid things come out of his mouth (But what about Poland?!?!").....LOL
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Oct 30th, 2004 02:25 AM |
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Riiiiiight, Hulk Smash!!! That is until Gladiator grabs him and throws him out into space. Wonder how his anger is going to save his butt when he runs out of air.
Hulk Smash!!! You mean like when Ultron blasted him and broke his leg during Secret Wars I. Hulk never gives up, but he couldn't do anything after Ultron messed him up, so much for Hulk's anger helping him.
Hulk Smash!!! You mean like when Juggy tricked him and nearly drowned him?
Hulk Smash!!!...his head into that of Thing's during Infinity Crusade when both bricks - along with a few others - tried to take on Thanos.
Hulk Smash!!! Like he did when Surfer punked his ass by draining him of his gamma radiation?
Hulk Smash!!! Like when Black Bolt whispered into his ears, knocking him out?
How can Hulk get angrier and exceed Gladiator if Kallark beats him before he surpasses Kallark? Sure Hulk doesn't have a limit, but Kallark can still finish him off before he gets too strong. Hulk ain't that Incredible.
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Oct 30th, 2004 02:37 AM |
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Ok, first the outer space thing is stupid and far fetched. Hulk isn't gonna just let you toss him into space (that argument was suposed to be trashed in these forums weeks ago). Secret Wars, honestly you may be on to something here, because I never got a chance to read them even though I always wanted to.
In cases of Hulk getting too hurt to fight back, I'll say again, that his healing factor is incredible. U try having all of your skin ripped off and still survive.....he grew it back in a matter of seconds....all of it.....as good as new.....And also Hulk has been speared in his back, through the heart, and out his chest, and quickly dealt with the back stabber permanently. You try standing let alone getting revenge after getting an extremely sharp and dense finger shoved through your body at a high speed. Hulk survive, Hulk brushed it off, and again, Hulk Smash!!!
So the secret wars may have been a bit bias, in order to make the story interesting.
I haven't read much of Juggy's battles with hulk (thou again I have been looking for them) but according to the Ultimate Marvle Guide to the Hulk which I have read, Juggy never beat hulk, and it was always a stand still. (you can get that at borders or waldens) Thanos could crush Gladiator, Thanos could crush anyone, that's why he's Thanos, mute point. And Even Thanos FEARS the Hulk, and openly admits to earlier steering clear of the Hulk due to his ever increasing rage and power. With some of the other infinity gems already in his possesion he was reminded of the Hulk while he faced Champion (with power gem on his forehead making him just like the hulk) and said that he has avoided facing the hulk in the past for fear of his ever increasing power. Thanos would make himself loose by subconciously pissing off the Hulk on purpose.
Silver Surfer is Silver Surfer. Much more powerful than Gladiator, and much smarter than him. I don't know Black bolt's powers or even who he is, so u may be on to something there as well. Gladiator fought Collosus, and didn't wipe him out so easily, Hulk is stronger than collosus and would last longer, and get pissed doin it cuz arragant pricks really piss Hulk off.
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Champion is much stronger than Hulk. Champion with the Power Gem would kill Hulk so fast it ain't funny.
As your argument goes for SW I, Colossus lasting long against Gladiator could have been in order to make The Phoenix Saga more interesting and give the X-Men some chances against The Imperial Guards.
Their fight wouldn't last as long as you claim. Three days? So Hulk can get strong enough to beat Gladiator? Most fights don't even last longer then probably 2 hours. They're fight ain't going to last three days. Gladiator would only have to finish him off before Hulk surpasses to a level dwarfing Gladiator. Hulk's fast but he ain't light speed fast. As for intelligence, Gladiator is a skilled and strategical fighter. He ain't stupid. This guy moves asteroids out of the way to clear the space lanes, smashed a planet to pieces, moves faster than light, and is the Shi'Ar empires top soldier. As for throwing Hulk into space, Kallark moves faster than light and has fought at light speed before. He can easily rush Hulk, grip Hulk's hand, and fling him into outer space if he wanted to, unless you're going to argument to Hulk can react at light speed.
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Well I never thought I would say this but in my opinion Gladiator will beat the hulk with realitive ease much like Superman did. The better fight would be Superman vs. Gladiator. And it may be hard to believe but the teenage Colossus did hold his own against Gladiator rather well. If they fought today it would be an interesting battle. Colossus is back with some "rage" as he states it and he would be a handful for anybody to handle. But that would be another story.
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juggernaut74
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Spiderninja008 in Hulk #402 Juggernaut does indeed knock the Hulk out with some punches to the head. Luckily Red Skull showed up to make him stop or he might have killed him. Who knows.
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Oct 31st, 2004 04:21 AM |
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...when did he ever fight at light speed???
Collosus ain't no punk and he fought his hardest ever then to save jean, had Hulk been in his posission he would've gotten stronger with each blow and more resistant to Gladiator's. and the buildng colapsing on them wudn't have stopped the hulk. Glads would be faced with getting his ass handed to him in a red box with yellow ribbons or doing the gay thing and throwing him into outer space. (plz no more rhetoric)
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Uh, Gladiator TRIED to throw Hulk into space, Hulk stopped him just in time. Gladiator is immensely powerful no doubt, but Hulk manhandled him plain and simple. As to who's stronger, that's not even up for debate. When someone has no limits of strength, there can't be anyone stronger.
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Nov 1st, 2004 03:37 AM |
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The old "Hulk needs time" thing never ever gets old does it?
The sooner people realise that he doesn't need time, the sooner we can acknowledge that he'd whoop Gladiator and his momma. Plus most people...
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Gladiator's fought at light speed plenty of times. He's used numerous times against Thor.
Wrath, you didn't even read any of the arguments did you? You just blab and blab. That fight was rigged. Grabbing and throwing some into space is different from grabbing hold of their body and flying out into space. The fight was rigged so Hulk could win.
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Nov 1st, 2004 09:56 PM |
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Regardless, Hulk would win. Gladiator's power decreases if his self-esteem is lowered. Seeing that he can do jack shit to Hulk would hurt his feelings, then Hulk'd hurt the rest of him.
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Nov 1st, 2004 10:36 PM |
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Beyonder
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Gladiator does jack shit? You mean like how Thor, Abomination, Juggernaut, etc. bricks have mustard up enough strength to give Hulk a fight and at times win. You're saying Gladiator isn't going to do jack shit? A flying brick like Gladiator isn't going to do jack shit when Abomination or Juggernaut can? C'mon! And these guys are slow moving compared to Kallark, who's basically a brick that moves at superspeed. Hulk's ability his anger increases his strength, but that doesn't mean he's never been stopped before.
And please give me instances of when Gladiator's self-esteem has greatly affected his power? It rarely does. Gladiator fought Tyrant and his esteem never dropped during that fight even though Tyrant was taking everything Gladiator got, along with SS, Terrax, etc. Even his fights with Thor, his esteem isn't much of a factor. As for his fight with Cannonball, his esteem didn't drop. It was more like Cannonball pulled a never before seen move out of his BUTT and was able to absorb/redirect and survive that punch Gladiator intended to knock the kid out. After a few more hits Cannonball managed to dish out following that surprise, Gladiator got up and was fine.
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Wynndar
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he doubted himself for a moment and invisible woman knocked him out with ease.
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Nov 2nd, 2004 01:03 AM |
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Beyonder
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And how many times has this happened? And why was he doubting himself?
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Nov 2nd, 2004 01:28 AM |
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Wynndar
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ummm...are you saying you havent even read the FF issues with Gladiator
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Nov 2nd, 2004 02:05 AM |
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Which one are you talking about. I only have the one where Gladiator battles the FF and skrulls impersonating as the X-Men.
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