So who's above Kyle other than Hal or John Stewart?
I think he can. For the Galactus/Mephisto fight you listed, and Thanos himself stating that power is power DESPITE it's title, referring to Odin's speech about how SCIENTIFICALLY ACQUIRED POWER (which is half true, Death being not scientific the other) is no match for DIVINE POWER, during his fight with Odin.
Well, there are many issues of Defenders/Silver Surfer were Surfer is drained of all his power cosmic. He still seems to retain his armor like skin, however the rest of his powers go away.
Surfer is also perhaps immortal. He has died and come back...in that sense he may be more than just a battery...you can probably disperse him but given enough time he'll re-materialize. Not necessarily because of the power cosmic, but because he IS a form of energy...Dagger from Cloak & Dagger is also possibly immortal in this way.
As for Thor's absorbing powers vs. Thor, poor writing is the only real way to explain it since Thor's power bolts are NOWHERE near the output of a star!
So, I'll ask again...aside from energy projection and apparently the ability to heal (not relevant to heralds since they don't injure in the conventional sense), what else can the ring do? How and what makes it itself impervious to attack? Is it mystical in nature or is it another form of 'radiation' (in which case, those who propose it can be absorbed by SS are dead-on correct).
Galactus' Heralds take this. All the way. THey are powered by stars. Doomsday is nothing to one of them. THey control the power of stars. They can augment their own strength, and are pretty much indestructable. THat's enough to deal with without their other various powers.
Yes, power is power but Odin was saying his divine power is better than Thanos' scientifically acquired power, which it isn't. They're both power, as you said, but mystical power is different from cosmic power - one isn't better than the other (as Odin was claiming) but they're different. Cosmic power can be controlled scientifically (as Doom was able to do to the power of the Beyonder, Surfer and a Watcher) whereas magics cannot.
Doomsday is not more powerful than the surfer, and classicmarvel.com is not an official for anything...Doomsday died when he was getting pummelled by Supes...although the WINDOWS of the buildings in that vicinity shattered, the landscape was relatively intact...Surfer has been in the center of blasts that have destroyed entire planets and been unnaffected...Doomsday is resilient considering he can come back to life with resistance to the previous cause of death...but the surfer starts out at a near indestructable level...and if he is harmed, his atoms have to be sufficiently dispersed to actually "kill" him.
They're different, but I still think it can be absorbed. Rogue has absorbed Hulk's powers and Thor's before, and Rogue's power is genetic. Additionally, Surfer doesn't always absorb power from everybody he runs across. But we all know he can, he's done that with Hulk. Magical energy originates from a different source but it's still energy.
Yes, but the Hulk's powers aren't magical in nature (it's more nuclear if we have to categorize it), and from what I know Rogue absorbed Thor's strength, not his ability to control lightning (I could be wrong though)
The way i see it is it comes down to whats more powerful the power cosmic and the GL power, and in that since the GL power is stronger because lets face it Galactus couldnt stand up to Paralax.
K, read the SS/GL crossover. Surfer submitted his power to Parallax, and Thanos absorbed the GL power from Oa. Bottom line is, the power cosmic was shown to be the MU's equiv. to whatever it is that powers GL's ring.
Interesting to note:
-At the end, when Thanos and Parallax were fighting, a depowered surfer suggests to GL that he strip both of the madmen of their newly acquired powers...and GL did it. Surfer implied he could have, however not in his weakened state
-When GL did strip the two of their energies, he couldn't contain it. It would have killed him. So Surfer absorbed it all (with great pain). That implies that Surfer had contained the energies that both Thanos and Parallax had acquired...DAMN he must've been packing some serious punch at that point in time!
I think he can. The problem with Galactus is his hunger always weakens him. And Galactus himself isn't exactly the embodiment of the Power Cosmic. He can access it but so can others. And his heralds never tire or starve. Him and his heralds are different.
The whole recreating the universe part by Parallax was after he absorbed the remaining energy from Crisis. That's not the normal Parallax. Now a fully fed Galactus or full potential Galactus would be equal to than Parallax.
Can you please reference where Rogue absorbed Hulk's power? I know she had trouble with DeathHead and a What If comic (if that even counts) showed that Rogue couldn't absorb Hulk's power.
I haven't caught up with the Green Lantern series for quite some time, but I thought Hal Jordan wiped out most of the GL Corps when he flipped? He's probably better than Kyle, but Kyle was at least a little more creative.
As to this Doomsday comparison, he took down Darkseid and he's probably enough to take down a herald (or two) himself.
Galactus is not the top beneficiary of the power cosmic...there r cosmic characters that would take parallax...Ultimately its futile to argue which force is more powerful, they r both dominant in their respective universes. However, in my opinion, the power cosmic has been displayed as more versatile than the power of the Guardians...the Guardians themselves seem like antiquated characters compared to the upper level recipients of the power cosmic.
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