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Creshosk
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Originally posted by Wanderer259
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I messed up the wording. Sorry.

Average human again.

Spiderman> Nightcrawler > average human.

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Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Why what, where's the PIS?

Nightcrawler not being able to teleport out of the webbing and storm only using one lightning bolt. . . She wasn't even webbed.

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Why are you arguing this against agility that you agree with me on anyway?

I'm arguing against using Secret Wars as an example.

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Average human again.

Spiderman> Nightcrawler > average human.

Nightcrawler not being able to teleport out of the webbing and storm only using one lightning bolt. . . She wasn't even webbed.

I'm arguing against using Secret Wars as an example.

Like I said is flash not ko'ing people in the first second have ANYTHING to do with speed? Or him getting hit by boomerangs change his FACT of moving lightspeed.

No different than NOT teleporting has to do with agility.

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Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Like I said is flash not ko'ing people in the first second have ANYTHING to do with speed? Or him getting hit by boomerangs change his FACT of moving lightspeed.

So spiderman CAN web nightcrawler up and nightcrawler ALSO decides to give up?

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No different than NOT teleporting has to do with agility.

The whole scene was PIS/CIS. it is a bad example.

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No no its not, tis a good example cause nightcrawler said so himself.

Much like:

"im hitting him with everything I got"

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Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
No no its not, tis a good example cause nightcrawler said so himself.

Much like:

"im hitting him with everything I got"

lol, goodnight.

When did nightcrawler EVER say

"That was a good example of a fight, mein friend."

Or ANYTHING to that effect?

It was stupid all around. You just can't admit it was PIS/CIS, because vyou like the way spiderman looked in it.

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Beast, in my opinion, has the best agility out of everyone in Marvel. I dont read alot of DC, bvut it doesnt seem like they have a whole lot of agile chars.

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Originally posted by Creshosk
When did nightcrawler EVER say

"That was a good example of a fight, mein friend."

Or ANYTHING to that effect?

It was stupid all around. You just can't admit it was PIS/CIS, because vyou like the way spiderman looked in it.

Like I said, it HAS nothing to do with agility, Mr. "wolverine moves faster than sound."

You agree, but you just love arguing with me, its a fetish, there's not one thread, you can't find something trivial to argue about.

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Beast, in my opinion, has the best agility out of everyone in Marvel. I dont read alot of DC, bvut it doesnt seem like they have a whole lot of agile chars.

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Not better than spiderman.

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Like I said, it HAS nothing to do with agility, Mr. "wolverine moves faster than sound."

How the hell does Wolverine move faster than sound?

There's a big difference between traveling at 340.29 miles a second and traveling at ~1 foot in 50 miliseconds.

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How the hell does Wolverine move faster than sound?

There's a big difference between traveling at 340.29 miles a second and traveling at ~1 foot in 50 miliseconds.

I believe he was referring to how you and some others think that Wolverine moves super fast and is able to dodge bullets that would normally hit him. Basically, that a lot of people think he's on par with Spiderman, when he clearly and historically isn't.

That's what I think he was trying to say at least.

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I believe he was referring to how you and some others think that Wolverine moves super fast and is able to dodge bullets that would normally hit him. Basically, that a lot of people think he's on par with Spiderman, when he clearly and historically isn't.

That's what I think he was trying to say at least.

He's bringing up a point from another thread that he still doesn't want to accept.

In a wolverine comic he moved his arm, just his arm, faster than a group of gunmen could see.

He didn't need to move much, and he didn't need to move far, and he didn't need to move for very long.

So it's not unreasonable to say that he can move certain parts of him fast.

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I saw that scan, too. I know which one you're talking about.

You must remember though. Wolverine is a trained warrior/assassin/whatever. Those guys were just armed peons.

Wolvie knows how to move efficiently and where to move (With his hands for the example). Those guys just knew how to point a gun and pull a trigger.

Of course his attack looked like a blur. They had never had to deal with anyone of his speed (Peak human compared to average speed). Hell, the same thing happens in some martial arts compititions.

Some MAs like Muai Thai (Thai Style Kickboxing) have fighters who move their legs so fast the other opponent never sees it. In fact, it is mostly in the martial art of Muai Thai that this happens (special leg training and all). I'm sure those kicks look like blurs to them as well.

If I had had the same amount of training that Wolverine had, I, too, would look like a blur, faster than the henchmen gunmen could see.

If he were up against, I dunno...a group of Punishers even (With his massive amount of experience dealing with people with superpowers), Wolvie's arm would not have appeared to have moved so fast, and Punisher would've been able to pull the trigger in time.

What I'm saying is, Wolverine's speed is also determined by his opponent.

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I saw that scan, too. I know which one you're talking about.

You must remember though. Wolverine is a trained warrior/assassin/whatever. Those guys were just armed peons.

Wolvie knows how to move efficiently and where to move (With his hands for the example). Those guys just knew how to point a gun and pull a trigger.

Of course his attack looked like a blur. They had never had to deal with anyone of his speed (Peak human compared to average speed). Hell, the same thing happens in some martial arts compititions.

Some MAs like Muai Thai (Thai Style Kickboxing) have fighters who move their legs so fast the other opponent never sees it. In fact, it is mostly in the martial art of Muai Thai that this happens (special leg training and all). I'm sure those kicks look like blurs to them as well.

If I had had the same amount of training that Wolverine had, I, too, would look like a blur, faster than the henchmen gunmen could see.

If he were up against, I dunno...a group of Punishers even (With his massive amount of experience dealing with people with superpowers), Wolvie's arm would not have appeared to have moved so fast, and Punisher would've been able to pull the trigger in time.

What I'm saying is, Wolverine's speed is also determined by his opponent.

Exactly. Which is why it was well within his capabilities to "move faster than the eye could see". in that case.

Calling Wolverine slow is just ignorant. He's not as fast as spiderman, but he's no slouch in the speed department.

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Exactly. Which is why it was well within his capabilities to "move faster than the eye could see". in that case.

Calling Wolverine slow is just ignorant. He's not as fast as spiderman, but he's no slouch in the speed department.

Spiderman is by far the most agile.

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Spiderman is by far the most agile.

His agility is super human. . . None of the others can claim that. Nightcrawler and Beast are still within the human range, being listed at olympic levels and all.

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No, that's just it though. Nightcrawler and Beast are mutants. Not technically a normal human. They do indeed have superhuman agility that not even a gold-medal olympian gymnast can do.

Nightcrawler and Beast=Superhuman agility.

Spiderman= Better superhuman agility.

Wolverine=Moves faster than average people, is Peak human.

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Exactly. Which is why it was well within his capabilities to "move faster than the eye could see". in that case.

Calling Wolverine slow is just ignorant. He's not as fast as spiderman, but he's no slouch in the speed department.

Compared to Spiderman, Wolverine is slow. Very slow.

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No, that's just it though. Nightcrawler and Beast are mutants. Not technically a normal human. They do indeed have superhuman agility that not even a gold-medal olympian gymnast can do.

Nightcrawler and Beast=Superhuman agility.

Spiderman= Better superhuman agility.

Wolverine=Moves faster than average people, is Peak human.

Wolverine isn't in this.

Nightcrawler and Beast are both listed as having olympic level agility.

Spiderman has reflexes 15 times faster than average human. and is twice as elastic as average humans.

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Compared to Spiderman, Wolverine is slow. Very slow.

Not that slow, he's still fast enough to give spiderman problems.

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Go pick up a Spiderman comic. See how easily he dodges MULTIPLE things MUCH faster than Wolverine is. If the comic were able to let Wolverine lose, he would never be able to land a claw, hand, foot, whatever on Spidey.

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