"Explain all his massive power upgrades then? It was a perminant boost. He didn't keep all of it, but he's massively more powerful."
His power ups wer from the weakest version ever ( Byrne) until today where hes more powerful to do over the top feats and compete with other high heroes. Byrne high strenght feats wer mountains. Todays Superman its more.
"It was a perminant boost. He didn't keep all of it, but he's massively more powerful."
So its average its the same of OWAW Superman now?
Does that means that in JlA/Avengers Thor had that Superman in the ropes without using his godly powers?
Works for me.
Last edited by olympian on Aug 27th, 2005 at 02:21 PM
If Superman was diminished its only fair that they diminish allll the D.C. characters. After all we can't have W.W. stronger than Supes can we. Not Rumours all logic
"The Hulk has greater feats of strength than all of these combined"
So hes stronger than all of those at the same time now. Funny how he never showed it.
"If Superman was diminished its only fair that they diminish allll the D.C. characters"
Now now. We dont know if he was or not. Thor didnt had exactly low showings in Jurgens title. More like it, he wrote some of his opponents as stronger again. And no im not talking about Mangog.
Both wer portraited rougly equal as in average.
Wonder Woman wasent portraited as stronger than Superman either, its mooth. Hercules even he managed to pull a stalemate was Mortal. Therefore below them.
Oh yeah Like when he could barely Lift a building, When he got battered by a Sea Snake, When he was knocked out by a punch that could barely shatter a crystal. All really impressive showings
I didn't say he was an equal to Thor in strength, I merely said he was on par with him. Also, I don't really see why you're disagreeing with me, seeing as that's what I said about Juggernaut.
Apparently the Hulk has limits to his strength you know?I am sure he was angry when the Juggernaut was kicking the crap out of him so many times but did he become more powerful?Juggernaut always says he can't be stop but he can...alot of characters shout stupid things out that arent true.
Superman is atleast top 2, he can lift 100,000 tons, the Hulk would have to be Super enraged to reach that, and the others on the list just cant come near it, and whatever Supes can lift so can Manhunter, so they tie. Lobo is right under Supes, and Captain Marvel if not splitting his power or pulling his strenght(which he is known for doing) can lift as much as lobo. from there on who knows
i dont know about drax so i cant say anything on him, but the resgt cant keep up a Raged hulk is sstill only at bout 400tons, Superboy can outlift that(if you can count the tactile), Juggs is at about 300ton range maybe farther but not too far...and the rest well who cares? they lose.
Where did you see a really angry Hulk could lift 400 and Juggernaut could only life 300 tons?The last time i checked there class was 100 plus tons and the upper limit to their strength was unknown.Maybe you are just another superman fan boy or you just lack the knowledge of most other characters.Based on logic and what is shown the Juggernaut would be one of the top characters and not because i like him.Marvel states that the Juggernaut can't tire right while every character you name can get tired..it might take a while but eventually they will.Every character you named can break their bones trying to lift something beyond their ability while the Juggernaut can't break his bone.