KMC Forums - ROTJ Luke vs AOTC Ani

I don't think you get just what proving up is.

Janus, I have supplied proof that he said this. What more do you want?

Proof in the definition of the word. All you say is "GL says". But no citing. For all I know, you could be bullshitting entirely and just saying GL said it to lend it false credibility.

Janus, I have provided proof out of GL's own mouth. Want to continue debating? Then do me a favor and debate with Lucas.

Read the above statement. You haven't "provided" anything. You just say GL said it and expect everyone to believe you. If you want to lend credibility to your stance, provide proof. Cite sources. If you can't, why should we believe you?

From the movies? I have posted plenty from the movies. Luke took out all of Jabba's guards. Anakin got defeated by a group of measley Geonosians. Anakin didn't last a minute against Tyranus and had Obi-Wan not been there wouldn't have even gotten a chance to clash sabers with him. Luke beat Vader. If that isn't enough for you GL's quotes provide proof. Deal with it. Suck it up. Learn the truth.

Suck it up? Please. Don't act so self righteous. It bores me.

First off, Anakin was surrounded by battle droids, was saberless by circumstance, and Padme was already captured. Hardly being "defeated by a group of measley Geonosians." But nice try.

Second, Luke defeated Vader who was his father and it was a conflicted, unresolved battle. Luke didn't beat Vader with superior skill or superior Force powers. He beat on him with his lightsaber like it was a bat. I've already ranted about this and anything more would be wasted breath on you, really. Luke beating Vader doesn't make him good enough to waste AOTC Anakin. We all saw that fight. Nothing's hidden there. If anything, it's seemingly obvious that vader was fueling his son's hate and throwing the fight. If you want clarification on this, i'll be happy to post you another essay.

Nah, that'd make him stronger than Sidious.

Jedi is anything from Youngling to Master. Yoda is a Jedi. Luke is a Jedi. Zett Jukesta is a Jedi. A fully trained Jedi would be Jeid at his full potential, whether it be Master or Knight. Jedi doesn't mean jedi Knight Jedi means Jedi.

Yeah, a jedi is a jedi, whether padawan learner or master. But you're adding your own interpretation of GL's comments when you say that ROTJ Luke is half of NJO Luke. The most amusing part is that how much you claim to cling to and respect GL's word, you don't even understand that NJO Luke is -nothing- like what GL had ever intended for the Star Wars series. NJO Luke's powers border on the ridiculous. And no NJO books are written by GL. So how can you apply his word to someone else's interpretation of his creation? Non sequitor.

A Jedi Knight. All Jedi under training are considered Jedi.

At least 1/2 as strong as NJO Luke. And he was obviously not as strong as Sidious yet.

I just covered this. GL has never mentioned nor implied NJO Luke in his interviews. If he has, you need to prove up since you are claiming otherwise. And if you're trying to tie-in GL's word with NJO Luke, you're way off base. Anyone with a bit of sense will tell you that NJO Luke is so far ridiculous and overpowered that he is easily borderline noncanon.

WTF are you talking about? Look at my replies!

I look. What do you think I reply to? Certainly not my imagination.

Obi-Wan? Maybe. And where's the proof that leff than a dozen had blasters?

This is simple: did you see more? Do you have an accurate count? If there was more than a dozen, I'd be seriously surprised.