Hmmm. Well i dont know about all that. It would be a fact however that Flash would be able to remove him from exsistance. For the simple fact that Spectre and McCay were in the spirit form. And only those in the relam of the dead could see them(Deadman). Therefore Flash could indeed put Thor in the death relam. Does Thor have access to that? Not even anyone from the Quintessence was aware of their presence.
I don't understand quite what you're saying, but Thor has been to the realm of the dead, and back, if that's what you're asking. How is that similar to removing him from existence?
can he traverse across different dimensions? and if so, that doesn't really matter, cuz all KC flash has to do is stick his asgardian butt to the source wall, end of thor.
At full potential Flash would be everywhere the speed force is, which means that he would be everywhere. How can you beat someone who's everywhere at once? Full potential Flash would be everywhere on every plane of existence at once. He would exist before the beginning of time and at the end of it.
Kingdom Come Flash isn't full potential, he was made of speed force energy but he wasn't completely one with it because he still ran around his city protected everyone. If he was one with it he wouldn't even have a body.
Any other Flash would lose but this is full potential which is basically Thor fighting the speed force.
Rune King Thor has more intelligence than his father. Read Thor disassemble he is a elder god.Rune King Thor can stop time, has cosmic awareness, can teleaport at will, he will send flash to hell.
Can the Flash physically move Thor? Assuming it would be possible, wouldn't Thor notice something touch him? Can he get from earth to the source in less than a second?
So Speedforce < Odinforce with Knowledge of the Runes?
You know, IMO Flash can beat the shit outta KING THOR anyday anytime anywhere, but RUNE KING THOR has the wisdom of THE RUNES, he'll know how to encounter anything abstract level under !!!
Slowing down time will have no effect on someone mainlined to the Speed Force. Time is pretty non-existant to current Flash, let alone Full Potential.
Also, I said he could bring the wieght of the multiverse down on someone if he was one entirely with the speedforce. Don't twist my words. Basically, the IMP punch to the Nth degree. In the IMP punch he hits with energy before it is completely removed by him slowing out of the speedforce... what about a person who is one with it completely? He could hit indefinately harder, just as he moves indefinately faster.
Air Cushions [Circle] - Running in a circle rapidly, Flash can create a vortex of air that creates and updraft to cushion to catch falling object or persons gently. -
Air Cushions [Limb] - Not limited to running, Flash can also move his arms at incredible speeds to create cushions of air with his feet or arms. He has done this to save himself from a fall or as a form of ad-hoc flight.
- Air Punch - If travelling at high speed but unwilling to pulp an ordinary criminal, Flash can punch the air at high speed creating a concussive wave of air with a little range behind it. Flash has used this as a limited range attack, to deflect bullets, and the KO weaker enemies.
- Burn a fever - Tied to his accelerated metabolism, Flash can go through illnesses, intoxicants, and similar maladies in seconds.
- Calling Lightning - As Flash's body metabolizes the Speed Force, ambient energy in the form of visible lightning is created. Flash has used this to generate bright light or to playfully shock people.
- Disassemble - Flash is not just straight line speed, he posseses fine motor control and the Speed Force allows him to interact with advanced machinery at high speeds. Flash can take apart a vehicle down to its nuts and bolts even as it's driving, build a bridge even as it's falling apart, or take part the guns of criminals before the trigger is pulled.
- Doubles [Circle] - Flash can modulate his speed to create after-images to the naked eye, allowing him to appear in multiple places simulateously. Flash has used this ability to maintain his secret identity or strobed it to disorientate his enemies.
- Durability - The Speed Force grants a measure of durability proportionate to his travelling speed.
- Earthquake - By matching the vibrations at the right point, Flash can continually stomp the ground to creating increasingly powerful vibrations that create localized, forward moving, earthquakes.
- Eat a lot - Sustained by the Speed Force, Flash no longer needs to eat, but enjoys doing so and is capable of accelerating his metabolism to burn through massive quantities of food with no negative side-effects.
- Fire trail - Capable of arbitrarily controlling his friction, Flash can leave a trail of fire behind himself. Similarly, he can rub things rapidly to create a hot-hand effect.
- Heal wounds - Flash can "metabolize" his wounds, healing at a vastly accelerated rate. He has recovered from being impaled by a sword. By lending his speed to others, he can also heal other's wounds.
- Inexhaustible - Flash is sustained by the Speed Force, so he never tires physically.
- Intangibility - By vibrating, Flash's molecules can slip through solid substances; in addition, Flash can impart kinetic energy and instability through this process causing it to explode shortly after.
- Invisibility [Running] - Flash can move at speeds faster than the naked eye to make him functionally invisible.
- Invisibility [Standing] - A little trickier, Flash can vibrate in place to make himself invisible.
- Material Cut- High speed knife edge of the palm has been shown capable of cutting gun barrels.
- Rapid Punch - Landing a series of punches in an instant.
- Relative Time Stop - Time stands still from Flash's perspective if need be. This ability has kicked in when he or those around him are in danger, even before he has consciously perceived the danger. Unfortunately it often kicks in reflexively during times of stress (or even boredom) turning otherwise untenable situations even longer than normal... Flash once spent a relative week at the opera.
- Running Punch - Also called the Infinite Mass Punch, Flash can impart his speed to the power of his punch, creating a very heavy strike that has felled some of the strongest characters in the DCU.
- Safe Carry - Flash's Speed Force aura extends far beyond his body to protect the environment from his speed and himself from the environment (dirt, dust, air friction, etc). This enables Flash to carry one or even two people at high speeds without them being harmed by it (unlike, say, Superman).
- Slipstream Drag - Flash can drag objects or agile/durable humans in a slipstream behind him. Flash has used this ability to evacuate the entire JLA.
- Sonic booms - If Flash doesn't use the Speed Force to stop it, Flash can create sonic booms at will, with their full concussive and sonic effects.
- Speed Force Armor - After learning more about the Speed Force, Flash learned he could solidify it and manifest it into his costume. As it responds to his will, Flash has used this to seal up his eyes or mouth, create pockets for holding objects, and create a bright yellow armor for him to run in even while his legs were broken. The first time his aura manifested solidly (before he had an understanding of the Force), Flash found himself covered in foot long spikes meant to protect him from harm.
- Speed Learning - Flash can read books to learn things instantly, but only for the short term.
- Speed Theft/Loan - One of Flash's most powerful abilities, Flash can rob objects of their kinetic energy stopping them and speeding himself up; further, Flash can impart his speed to other persons or objects. Flash has used theft to stop bullets or to take the energy out of a tsunami; Flash has lent speed to armies of superheroes and even to his wife so she could see from his perspective.
- Time Travel - Through raw speed, Flash can break the Time Barrier and travel both forwards and backwards through time. He can also adjust his own vibrations to visit alternate dimensions.
- Vacuum [Circle] - By travelling around someone, he can create a vortex of such strength that it sucks the air out of the eye of the vortex. Flash has used this ability to extinguish fires and to suffocate enemies.
- Wall Run - At high speeds, running up or along a wall is not difficult.
Last edited by Juntai on Oct 7th, 2005 at 12:53 PM
Why is this a argument? RKT knows the outcome of every thing before it even happens, as stated in thor v2 #84. So how will Flash be able to do anything if the outcome and his efforts will already be known?
thats really dumb. he's just a freaking skyfather he shouldnt know everything, and who cares if he knows does odinforce>speed force suddenly i think not you cant hit what you cant see or touch.
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