what's there to judge their tactical/strategic performances apart from their "feats" over bewilderingly superior opponents?
Doom can do anything he wants, he's obtained ultimate power (or close enough) several times. Lex is just a minor annoyance to Superman. if it were Batman instead of Superman, then he would have Lex locked up in Arkhem.
Doom is a walking plot device, but that's not what I was debating. Strategically and tactically Lex is above Doom. He doesn't have the benefit of uber artifacts and devices (although he has used some and created some of his own) so he's written to rely on his cunning and strategic planning more heavily than Doom who is far more straight foward albeit scientifically above Lex.
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Iboga chose not to fight, to allow himself to evolve. He had the wisdom to abandon the actions of war when he knew they would no longer serve him.
Wrong. Lex is the MacGyver of the comics. He could make an interdimensional portal with a laundry machine.
But seriously Lex is extremely resourceful he has come up with some crazy inventions using regular equipment around him. And strategy? That's all Lex is about, he doesn't have the benefit of deus ex machinas so he relies more heavily on stratregy and tactics than Doom.
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Iboga chose not to fight, to allow himself to evolve. He had the wisdom to abandon the actions of war when he knew they would no longer serve him.
^ I still disagree. Lex's Alliance in 'Our Worlds At War' got punked by Imperiex and Braniac-13. Superman had to come up with a plan to end the war. Lex became a virtual non-factor in 'Infinite Crisis.' The only thing he did other than goading Joker into murdering Alex was giving Superboy the location of the Anti-Monitor tower. He barely even put a dent into Alex's Secret Society with his own team in 'Villains United.' Other than becoming President of the US, which he eventually screwed up anyway, Lex has done nothing that tops Doom's strategies and machinations.
Dr. Doom saved his mother's soul by outsmarting Mephisto, Dr. Strange and his mother herself. In 'Triumph And Torment,' Doom fakes betraying Dr. Strange and offers him to Mephisto for his mother's soul. Because of this, she rejected him and forsook him forever choosing damnation because he knew his mother's soul was good. Just when it appeared that Mephisto had all three of them, Doom's device freed a surprised Dr. Strange and they used her act of redemption to flood Mephisto's mind with divine light. Mephisto freed them all because he couldn't take it. Doom lost his mother's love to save her soul.
Doom punked Galactus out of his Worldship energies and subsequently punked Beyonder out of his energies. Doom also took over Marvel Earth by utilizing Purple Man. One of his nastier plans occurred in 'Unthinkable.' Doom saved Valeria Richards at childbirth. Unbeknownst to Reed and Sue, he enchanted her into his familiar, used her to banish Franklin Richards to Hell and beat the Fantastic Four with his insane skin armor. At the end of the struggle, Thing actually died and the FF had to retrieve his soul.
As people said ....with prep Doom is one of several people that you do not want gunning for you. He is someone you can never really write off, because just when you think you have defeated him you get punked (kind of like how Batman punked some sorceress in Obsidian Age, even though he had been dead for 3,000 years and was in spirit form).
Thus, if Doom has prep (and having Doom face Superman without prep is simply unfair, although it could be said that giving Doom prep is also unfair .....either way it is unfair) Superman can be killed.
Without prep, Doom dies in a micro-second tenor time-reference.
w/ out prep time... doom can turn himself etherial (like ur hitting air or haulogram).. then seeing superman as a VERY POTENTIAL THREAT, doom just mind swap superman.. doom deactivates his armor first.. LOL.. its not the power of a person.. its what a person's capable of.. hehe
if superman prime or just any version of superman can face GALACTUS, SILVER SURFER, SENTRY, ANNIHILUS, "THE BEYONDER", DARKSEID.. ETC.. then this fight will be interesting.. if galactus shows up.. everybody has a very big problem... dr.doom will just take some popcorns and see what galactus's face look like (ow gees, he's pissing his pants)...
^ Be careful. Some people would construe multiple posts as spamming. You're new, so I doubt people will make a fuss, but it's generally polite to not post multiple times when you could have just post everything you said in one single post.
doom would kill superman in a thousand ways... even superman prime (i know that version)... question is will doom KILL superman OR will he USED him as a WEAPON...
if no prep time... doom would just magically turn himslef into etherial form.. superman might withstand magic but can he withstand dooms mind swaping abilities?? no prep time... quicky fight...
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