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not a personal supposition, more commensense...

when he fires a beam, his field of vision is covered by red light, hence he is technically 'blind' while firing and shouldnt see his target once he fires


Right. Supposition with no proof to back the claims.

Whereas on the other hand, it's widely known that Cyclops' powers are constantly on. no expression


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I'm just giving you one possible explanation/theory as to why he may have a "weak spot" in his blast.

Writers make it a point of contention for us to know that his blast is made from "non-Einsteinian" particles in his bios. That basically means the physics behind it is up in the air. It could be argued that it's a plot device in and of itself, in order for the writers to explain the "faulty science" behind it.


the blasts overlap, hence them appearing to be joining together... its the messed up energy they're composed of, it was never really explained...


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Originally posted by Starscream M
oh btw, I clearly didn't intend them to be .5km apart...but I admit it's my fault for not specifying
Your intentions were not clear in the opening post. therefore are irrelevant. So just stop.


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You need to stop this nonsense. You been proved wrong and people have explained how Cyke's powers work.
umm...who has proved that Cyke would see without his visor?

yeah, no one...at least not yet.

Im certainly open to evidence, but the guy has always wore a vision device of some sort that would allow him to open his eyes without his rays unleashing. Without such device, he cannot control his rays.


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Originally posted by Raoul
i think this falls under the 'writer not knowing just how powerful cyclops is' heading...
I don't. "Feels like I'm being crushed by a mountain".

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they were, but there was always the tendency by writers to assume he used high level blasts, when his very nature contradicts that... its the beams themselves that are more powerful...
its a deduction based on how powerful his so called 'full power' blasts used to be, and how strong they are nowadays, without him yelling 'full power!' like some member of the superfriends...


May I have some comparitive examples outside of collateral damage incidents?

I mean I can empathize for the argument, Wolverine's claws couldn't cut through rock or steel when he first showed up, but later he was stated to cut through anything. I just want to see the degree to which Scott's become stronger. Keeping in mind that the Death example took place in the late 1990's.



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same issue? i'll have to find it so...
Yes.


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Originally posted by Starscream M
umm...who has proved that Cyke would see without his visor?

yeah, no one...at least not yet.

Im certainly open to evidence, but the guy has always wore a vision device of some sort that would allow him to open his eyes without his rays unleashing. Without such device, he cannot control his rays.


Stop the nonsense.....son

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You need to stop this nonsense. You been proved wrong and people have explained how Cyke's powers work.


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Whereas on the other hand, it's widely known that Cyclops' powers are constantly on. no expression



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his visor suppresses his beams, so he can see

when he unleashes his beams (hence nullifying his visor's protective mechanism) he is blind for the duration of the blast


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I'm just giving you one possible explanation/theory as to why he may have a "weak spot" in his blast.

Writers make it a point of contention for us to know that his blast is made from "non-Einsteinian" particles in his bios. That basically means the physics behind it is up in the air. It could be argued that it's a plot device in and of itself, in order for the writers to explain the "faulty science" behind it.
And I'm saying its not feesable other than to explain why the writer wanted wolverine to do something he shouldn't be able to do. He's not able to wade through Hulk's fists. He shouldn't be able to wade through a constant physical force that's capable of punching through metal. He doesn't have phasing powers.

I'll right it up to "Stupid explanations by a writer" rather than "faulty science"


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umm...who has proved that Cyke would see without his visor?

yeah, no one...at least not yet.

Im certainly open to evidence, but the guy has always wore a vision device of some sort that would allow him to open his eyes without his rays unleashing. Without such device, he cannot control his rays.


HIS BLASTS ARE ALWAYS ON. ITS WHY HE WEARS THE GLASSES/VISOR IN THE FIRST PLACE. THE VISOR REFLECTS/ABSORBS THE BLASTS THEMSELVES, AS THE LENSES ARE COMPOSED OF RUBY QUARTZ. GOD DAMMIT MAN...


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You do realize that even when wearing the visor, the beams are still firing?


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umm...who has proved that Cyke would see without his visor?

yeah, no one...at least not yet.

Im certainly open to evidence, but the guy has always wore a vision device of some sort that would allow him to open his eyes without his rays unleashing. Without such device, he cannot control his rays.
You were told to stop. by several people. I won't give you any more leeway than anyone else.

Reported for trolling.


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the blasts overlap, hence them appearing to be joining together... its the messed up energy they're composed of, it was never really explained...
Exactly, which is why I find an automatic default to a "weakspot being Bullshit" a bit of jump to conclusions on the matter.


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You do realize that even when wearing the visor, the beams are still firing?
yes, but the visor neutralizes the beams, so that essentially it stops them from forming materially


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HIS BLASTS ARE ALWAYS ON. ITS WHY HE WEARS THE GLASSES/VISOR IN THE FIRST PLACE. THE VISOR REFLECTS/ABSORBS THE BLASTS THEMSELVES, AS THE LENSES ARE COMPOSED OF RUBY QUARTZ. GOD DAMMIT MAN...


Cool it, Ireland.


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cyclops can see when blasting, how many people on his team do you think that he would have made a mistake and killed if he didnt have sight. Thats like saying gladiator, superman, or hyperion cant see while blasting when there heat vision is part of there powers.

Answer this question starscream, can havok move his fingers while blasting?


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HIS BLASTS ARE ALWAYS ON. ITS WHY HE WEARS THE GLASSES/VISOR IN THE FIRST PLACE. THE VISOR REFLECTS/ABSORBS THE BLASTS THEMSELVES, AS THE LENSES ARE COMPOSED OF RUBY QUARTZ. GOD DAMMIT MAN...
so let me ask you, without his glasses or visor

when he opens his eyes and is firing a blast, can he see?


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I don't. "Feels like I'm being crushed by a mountain".


then we disagree...

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May I have some comparitive examples outside of collateral damage incidents?


what qualifies as a collateral damage incident? im not too sure what the distinction is... i think i know, but im not sure...

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I mean I can empathize for the argument, Wolverine's claws couldn't cut through rock or steel when he first showed up, but later he was stated to cut through anything. I just want to see the degree to which Scott's become stronger. Keeping in mind that the Death example took place in the late 1990's.


does the death example even count?

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yes, but the visor neutralizes the beams, so that essentially it stops them from forming materially


no it doesn't.

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Exactly, which is why I find an automatic default to a "weakspot being Bullshit" a bit of jump to conclusions on the matter.


i don't follow, but i havent been reading alot of the other posts... embarrasment

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so let me ask you, without his glasses or visor

when he opens his eyes and is firing a blast, can he see?


anytime his eyes are open, he's firing, glasses/visor or not... and yes, he can see the entire time... when the visor is on, he sees everything as being yellow, when its not, he sees red...


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Cool it, Ireland.

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Answer this question starscream, can havok move his fingers while blasting?
yeah, because that's analogous to cyke being able to see right?

Cyke can also move his eyeballs when he's firing, so that's irrelevant query


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Starscream, either stop trolling and spamming or be warned. Everybody was nice enough to answer your questions and prove you wrong. Any other questions should be addressed here.

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