and it was made clear that thor's soul was unbalanced and the cause for his madness... to the point it was effecting reality in the form of the Valkyrie that adam could see it via his soul gem..
to say thor should be normally resistant to a soul attack b/c of that story arc is being very disingenuous
now you are making jokes b/c some one actually knows when to call BS on your comment..
fact: warlock never hit hercules with his karmic blast..
fact: warlock summoned his staff instead to face herc... herc slammed him and grabbed him by the collar which would have bn a perfect time to ko herc with a blast instead warlock was taken by surprise as he saw vision rise from the ground and phase through herc and ko him.
You know how many times I've asked other posters on this board when Hercules got karmic blasted? I suppose it is my fault that I thought they would have no reason to lie about it.
sorry its just a big issue for me with warlock being my top 5 favorite heroes and whatnot plus that fact that i recently pulled out my comic box with his entire series and whatnot makes me a lil upset when ppl are wrong about "Him"
You whined about it. You whined about how it didn't make sense. You whined about the writer not know what he's doing. You whined about it being canon. You whined directly to the writer. You whined about the contradictions, etc. Explain to me how that's any different than screaming PIS... actually, explain how it's any better. You used the definition of PIS to describe it, without actually using the word PIS.
Right. Now you're aware. No problem Rage, it only took you a little nagging to go get me to find your quotes.
I doubt that.
There isn't anything to actually dispute in reality. Considering this is irrelevant to anything from Blood and Thunder.
More so you bringing up irrelevancy and trying to pass it off as something meaningful.
It's kept my interest so far though.
I'm just saying you're using ABC logic, when you denied using 'generic ABC logic'.
At the end of the day, the readers apply ABC logic, not the comic. The comic just showed that they were threats. The readers apply the "HE BEAT LEAGUE! SUPERMAN BEAT HE! SUPERMAN BEAT LEAGUE!!!". I have no problem with the comic showing dynamic strength Superman beating the Probes. I have a problem with you stating that this shows (wait, you never said that, only heavily implied it) that Superman is above a whole group of his peers at once.
I wasn't writing it off as ABC logic (that's what you were using), I was 'writing it off' as Superman having more raw power than them. Which is why he was able to, and they weren't. Like I've said quite a few times now.
Because you're making it a big discussion. lol.
I've said at least two times I repeated what you wrote and you argued about it. I've said Superman used raw power that his teammates lacked. I'm not even sure what the **** you're looking at at this point in time, but it's confusing the shit out of me. You're just arguing just to argue at this point.
Or that he beat a villian Thor couldn't. Right context matters, but at the end of the day, Surfer beat Durok when Thor couldn't. He used his own powers to beat him. Just like Superman used powers unique to him to beat the Probes...
How exactly is that context when you're assuming?
Also, Thor seemingly engaged against Murrungo on the ship (well, he was there), and no one was left standing. Seemed to indicate Thor was swiftly defeated like everyone else.
Funny how you forget the context on the important part... like Surfer fought Murrungo at half power and was giving him a fight. Better than the Earth heroes who engaged him on his ship anyway.
Right, weakened Surfer got Millennius to admit he couldn't beat him. Said he was done. Then cheapshotted Surfer afterwards.
Then after this, Thor hits him twice, and Surfer finished him off. Either way, Surfer did better than Thor.
I know it doesn't have to be the exact same comic. Same arc/writers I should have said, but then again, I didn't expect Mr Literal to make an appearance.
Which would be overlooked. You're overlooking it because it's not the same comic arc. You're more willing to accept it just because it is from the same arc. When you don't realise that that's just up to one writer's perspective... Before you bring up Blood and Thunder being written by two writers, that was under the same arc, and they obviously consulted each other before they finished... If a writer thinks that Cap could kick the shit out of Spider-Man, then he's going to write that in the comic. Does this have to be a definitive example of how a fight between them would go? No, of course not.
Also, you should switch that comparison. It should be Surfer accomplishing things Thor couldn't do...
Anyway, yes, I agree, these factors matter. Holding back, their own power levels, etc.
The only thing we can really gather from these 'indirect' (because let's be honest, OWAW was an indirect comparison) comparisons is who's more durable, and who's more powerful phsycially. Not who would win a fight, and very rarely what level to place them on.
Yes. But you're not merely using this as his strength or power is higher, you're saying that this 'might' put Superman above the League.
Which is ABC logic.
League>Probes>Superman
Anyway. Powers make fights, like I said. Just because Superman beat a being they had trouble with, doesn't mean he'd sweep through them. More powerful though than any of them? Yes, which I never argued against, and actually supported.
Except you are.
I'm pretty sure that was my argument... in fact, I was the one who brought up the raw power angle... and then you said it, and then... in fact, that's what both of us are saying.
Anyway... he's always had more raw power than those leaguers, which is why with a little 'amp', he's able to do things that make them look weak in comparison. But that's not their powers... raw power that is. Flash, Cryle, especially. MM? Well, let's be honest, he sucks. WW? Well, she's only his 'peer' because of her fighting skills and strength combo`, plus she wasn't part of the league that the Probe stomped.
The only things they actually beat that actually have merit to be on Superman's level is Zod, which is iffy. If the Probe smacked around an actual even in his power like Marvel, and Superman was able to that to it? Well, I might be a little more accepting of it, and it would be a better comparison to Thor, who actually stomped his real peers. Multiple of them.
The difference is though, is that I haven't used this logic to imply in any way Superman could beat the League the Probe fought, or imply it was the even close to being the same at all. Individual fights? Yes. I'm wholly acceptive of this being an indication of how powerful Superman is. I'm not however, acceptive of this being any indication of how a fight against the League the Probe fought would go, or how this could be any indication of Superman indirectly beating the League. That would be ABC logic.
To put it simpler, since I know you're going to skew the hell out of that...
Superman beating Probes that the League couldn't doesn't mean much outside him being more powerful than them. Like I said, he outperformed them, he didn't massacre them... which is what your posts imply when you say 'it will do as secondary evidence', or when you bring this up parallel to Thor, whether you want to portray that message or not. That's all.
Right, you don't care about it. Is that why questioning it has turned into a multiple post argument... and into the main point? lol
Or you could have just forgot comparisons, since you know, different things entirely.
Right, or it's not. Good thing you didn't use the Hulk one either, since he was amped up beyond his usual as well... unless you're implying Thor was amped, since thats what Thor would have to share with Hulk, and Superman for these to ring true...
Funny enough, I wouldn't have minded a feat off with you.. honestly, I expected it. But this is far removed from mentioning any feats. I mean, you think you struck gold with the Superman example, so why need Thor feats?
Doesn't matter if you subscribe to it or not, that was the reason given of why Superman was doing what he was doing. It's not merely an opinion, unless of course, you're claiming PIS...
Either way, don't care about the specifics, but I'm sure you'd love to take it up with your equal Avalon, about Superman's dynamic strength.
You do. I said it was PIS, you're the one who moaned. You're the one who acted like a child with such lines as "Moan, moan, moan.". All I did was call an arc PIS. You immediately jumped on that shit with moaning. All I did was call an arc PIS. You did not enjoy this.
And you didn't try to address any points. In what world is this addressing any points?
Or, your edit:
The only points being addressed now or then by you, is from us talking about OWAW.
Right, you don't care. Except when you have an argument everytime someone says something negative about Thor. It's almost like you like the way Quan defends his character so much, that you've adopted it into your own debating 'style'.
This board is already in the shitter, mostly because of the fanboys I'd say.
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Right, I said only like. It's meant to be a rough estimate, not taken literally.
Sorry, too confusing for you. I meant there's a low number of people who accept that story.
There's you, Soujaboy (who's likely dead), and ODG apparently. Really the only people I've ever seen defend this arc.
When you argue against Thanos beating regular Thor easily. Did you even read the rest of that sentence? A pic of Thor's cock must have diverted your attention mid sentence.
It actually does work that way. I accept things that I want to. Especially when things don't actually exist, and there's a rule explaining this very thing...
Besides that, I usually think I can pick out objectively what makes sense and what doesn't, and go by that. As opposed to blind acceptence just because I like said character.
Either way, you haven't actually made one case, or even close to it of why exactly this should be accepted. All you've done is go off tangent, and use Superman as an example. It certainly doesn't help me explain why exactly I can't state it's PIS, and call it a day.
K, cool. Except the part where I said what was PIS, why it was PIS, etc. The only thing I missed was everyone's durability feats that contradict the BnT arc.
I know you would. If Thor killed LT tomorrow, I'd have no doubt you'd cling to that like cold death for years to come.
Right, pretty much took him out.
Probably missed something, probably wrote something dumb... doesn't matter, I'm tired, and out of time.
Long story short...
Superman OWAW =/= Thor's BnT
And Blood and Thunder isn't the definitive answer to this thread.
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Aug 5th, 2010 05:59 PM
Predictable. 
