Spider, right ? You defeat the spider like any boss with successful attacks.
Link can't send back all projectiles fired his way. He sends back one that doesn't mean he can send them all back and dragon age states they are unblockable which is a fact whereas you cannot prove Link can send back every projective fired his way anyways.
Due to the boots. Who is Blizzetta? Describe him I cannot remember their names.
When she is on his back in wolf form aiding him various times. Link can't beat dorf's animal form without her aid.
The warden is also strong enough to kill Link in one attack. Show me Link laughing off sword attacks or any attacks because they aren't strong enough to hurt him.
These abilities apply for each different warden. 5 seconds can be all that's needed to kill Link anyways.
They win due to the effectiveness, armor, and a larger list of abilites along with comparable strength in 2 of the wardens here. They don't win based off of having more abilities alone. Their abilities are also more effective imo.
1.Yes, and it wouldn't take a long time to do so imo along with the fact the mage warden can suck the magic or render it useless from Link.
2.I disagree. With the strength and abilities shown here it's more than enough to kill someone who can be killed or harmed easily by piranha plants.
No, Link cannot as his armor doesn't last forever even in his own game.
And one arrow, bomb or not, kills the final form. But you're dodging the point. The Grey Warden is a humanoid, not a giant monster, so until you prove super durability, a bomb that shatters rocks will kill them.
Dragon Age states they are unblockable. Twilight Princess states that the Master Sword reflects projectiles. A reflect isn't a block. Also, no limits fallacy.
Possessed Ice Yeti. The one where Link threw an iceberg across the room.
Name those times. You have 1/4th of a single battle right now, which is not a lot of help.
Please. Can you even back that up? A Gray Warden is just a normal guy. A giant metal soldier thing with a huge ax/sword can't even kill Link in 5 seconds WITHOUT him wearing the magic armor. You're going to have to defend that with more that "he can do it in five seconds just because."
In your opinion? More effective than a move that instantly kills you? Or a move that dodges enemy attacks and deals out damage of it's own? And again, let's not forget the fact that the Gray Warden can't perform his skill infinitely. He has a stamina bar as well as a cool down time for all of his skills. Link has neither of those things.
1. Again, you need to back that up. I see no reason the Gray Warden would be able to break through magic armor as well as all of Links health in five seconds.
2. The Gray Warden would be harmed just like Link would, in fact he would likely take more damage from those things than Link would. Seeing as how his battle strategy involves standing in front of an enemy while it hits you while swinging your sword. Link actually dodges and defends.
It lasts long enough for Link to attack once. Which is all he would need with Mortal Draw.
Wrong. Link takes the hit, since he has magic armor, and then deals the Mortal Draw. End of the line for the Gray Warden.
Actually,l either way Link wins, but I figure I'd try and show you how ridiculous it is to try and add gameplay mechanics to these debates.
I disagree. You need to prove it destroys a warden first. That's like me saying the rogue warden kills link with one arrow to the throat and demaning you prove me wrong.
Why can't Link block anything else save dorf's attacks as zelda ? That's not the same as blocking everything throw his way. If he cannot block everything coupled with the fact dragon age states they are unblockable then my side wins.
Inconsistent feat which contradicts the way or manner in which he is portrayed.
Why name more ? I named a key battle against his arch nemesis he needs midna for.
I don't have too anyone in tp can hurt link. If they hit him with a sword he bleeds just like anyone else.
A grey warden is not just a normal guy. Not by a longshot. Link can be hurt by the lowliest of grunts and resisting one blunt force attack isn't the same as being totally immune to piercing weapons.
Yes, because Link's move leaves him open to death as well. It's just as bad for Link as his opponent. There are more than enough abilities to use on Link before he or she needs to reload for.
1.Why not ? The mage can eliminate all magical power or hex him in moments. The rogue can mark him for death leaving him open for increased damage, etc.
2.Because both can be hurt by anything in these games and the foolish notion of not having enough strength to hurt the other is just foolishness. Yes, but I don't see Link as experienced or as versatile as any of these wardens.
If he uses the mortal draw then he himself can die.
Wrong it leaves him open for death as per the game.
What? The Gray Warden can sense darkspawn and is immune to their taint. That's it. Becoming a Gray Warden doesn't give you and super strength or magic abilities.
But not every ability would be useful, and NONE of them would kill link in less than five seconds.
1. Okay. So the mage can hex him. Is that instant death? No? Then Link still comes out the victor. The Rouge can mark him for death. Okay. Is that instant? No? Then Link comes out the victor. Just naming off skills they can use is NOT the same as showing that they would down Link in 5 seconds or less. Now prove THAT or admit defeat.
2. Screw experience. You wanted game mechanics, so that's what we are looking at here. And game mechanics say that Link is faster, and more agile than the Gray Warden, and can also defend whenever he wants. The Gray Warden cannot.
No... You are missing it. Link leaves himself open to being hit, sure. But that isn't a problem with all his health and the magic armor, did you forget about that? So Link MIGHT get hit trying to do it, but that one hit he would get would NOT kill him, however, the mortal draw that Link pulls out on the Gray Warden WOULD kill him.
They only take in exceptional skill, mages, or badass warriors. So everyone who is a warden is elite and don't act like they are some bums off the street.
I think a sword stab to the throat would kill him instantly in less than two seconds, actually.
Hexing just tilts the matchup very lopsided against Link. All of these abilities make it that much easier to maul Link who isn't that skilled to begin with anyways.
You seem to be forgetting he's paralyzed which means instant death.
2.I don't think Link is faster nor to the point even so of it being the deciding factor. The grey warden has more health, experience, and is more skilled.
Link's magical armor is only temporary and the mage can drain it with one move. If Link attempts the mortal draw he's just as prone to death as the warden is.
An extremely large majority of the Gray Wardens you meet (or play as depending on Origin), were like, bums off the street, before they were picked up by Duncan.
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They weren't bums they were skilled or talented gems. Look at the abilities they can all possess throughout the course of the game and look at Link when he first starts out some bum who fishes.
But, Quanchi, that's already finished
Bomb arrows can shatter giant rocks, you know
Without durability, the Warden's diminished
As a bomb on the human body will show
Unless you can prove that the Warden's harder than stone
A single bomb arrow is all it will take to bring him low
And thus Link wins despite what you moan.
Hylian sheild blocks everything more
And even returns a few
Like the Hero's Shade and Zant Helmets score
But still there is something to do
Link can actually dodge with his speed
Unlike the Warden with mechanics we rue
Who stands in one place without a heed
Condradictory and inconsistent?
Why are you so insistent?
Feats are portrayals and portrayals are feats
BloodRain made you a list of caveats
For you to ignore them all is denial
That Link is stronger and you're reaching a mile
Unless you think the Warden's a boar
The example is useless and more
Name something the Warden can do
That Midna might help with, will you?
Refusing evidence once again?
Pick a new tactic please
Now prove he can kill Link, then
If you think he can do it with ease
I didn't. They are normal people though. Trained warriors, sure, but completely normal people other than the ability to sense darkspawn.
Wrong. YOU wanted to do game mechanics, which state that any damage Link takes will just come out of his hearts. Unless the Gray Warden has an instant kill move, and he doesn't, Link will survive any hits he gives him until his health runs out. See why game mechanics don't work? Ready to ditch them yet?
It doesn't matter! You can tilt the playing field in the Gray Wardens direction all you want! Unless he has an attack that can stop Link from unleashing Mortal Draw. Link WINS. He doesn't, though. At best, he can stun him a few seconds, and when those fiew seconds are up Link will simply unleash Mortal Draw and kill the Gray Warden instantly. Oh, and Link is an exceptional swordsman. I don't know what you're talking about him not being very skilled.
Instant death? How? Why? Paralyzed mean he stands still until the effect wears off. Which isn't even enough time for the Gray Warden to get through his magic armor, let alone all his health. Try again.
2. You are making a lot of claims here that you aren't backing up. The Gray Warden has more health? Prove that. Experience? Varies depending on the background, and Link is much faster than the Gray Warden. Have you seen the warden move? Have you seen Link move? He can do backflips, side flips, and attack in a steady stream of blows. The Gray Warden can't dodge at all, and can only attack in a slow, rhythmic fashion.
Okay, so Link's magic armor lasts through everyone except the mage. What can the mage do to stop Link's Mortal Draw? Hell, he'd probably Mortal Draw the mage while it was casting the dispel spell on Link's armor!
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The wardens are unimpressive, Quan,
this is an idea you struggle to don,
but sadly the truth is in feats they are weak,
and the uphill battle for you, is steep.
You have tried to ignore Link's impressive strength,
No warden will survive within sword length.
He is faster, stronger, and more durable than they,
And so your 'argument' must fade away.
You may continue to spout nonsense,
but it will only make you look dense.
Everyone but you, seems to grasp the facts,
either that, or this is an impressively stupid act.
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An arrow to the throat is all a warden needs also. It goes the same way against Link also the mage easily wins and I feel the warrior can survive long enough to get a death blow.
With game play mechanics Link gets stunned quite easily and then the enchantments can slow down his movement speed, etc.
I explained the context behind those feats and the boots are needed for him to achieve the ones you really desperately want but without the weight Link just falls down and can't do anything against a meatier opponent.
Midna helped him the entire game and helped transport a bride my only point was without her Link was screwed which has nothing to do with this thread. I have already listed enough abilities to beat Link.
Anyone in tp can kill Link by attacking him....are you saying if someone from dragon age attacks him he won't feel it ? LOL.
They are exceptional warriors and Link is just another hylian with no real outstanding abilities outside the traditional heroic one.
Both ways he dies so irl where a fatal move kills the warden still wins as does the warden win via gameplay.
Mortal draw leaves Link just as open and also he can bre frozen or stunned quite easily.
Due to the savagery of the warden it is enough and the mage himself or herself can eliminate the magical powers of the armor temporarily.
2.Due to the number of attacks Link can sustain as opposed to the number of attacks the warden can sustain it's not even close. The warden has has armor and what not to negate it whereas Link's armor really doesn't aid him save the magical armor which we have already previously had it out over.
The warden can and will hit Link who isn't that quick to the point o fhim just walking all over the warden and hit he will be.
Mortal draw leaves Link open for death it explains this in the game so if he uses it he dies as he leaves himself open to be hit.
Link's strength isn't very impressive nor are his limited options.
No, you're wrong once again
In game Link tanks flaming arrows and then
All he needs to do is Mortal Draw once
And all Grey Wardens fall like runts
No, not at all, ever met a redead?
They can stun Link and try to behead
But of course then Link makes the check
And can move just in time to counter and wreck
Link can dodge easy and stay out of range
Then snipe from a distance he can arrange
And I explained back the way it actually goes
The boots stop movement, but it is Link who throws
If you don't get this I don't know how to say
Link's sword strikes need no weight in the way
Boots don't increase, arm strength and blows
They just stop Link from ending up on his nose
But Midna won't fight, except for but one
So to keep bringing it up helps your case none
The Warden's no boar, he's a simple man
So Link's combat abilities have this in the can
You've named so few skills, I know not what you mean
But Link's Mortal Draw simply makes the scene
If not, no worries, Link still has a bow
With bombs and the Hawkeye, the Warden won't have a go
I said prove he could kill, not just harm or bleed
Link takes on opponents the Warden can't heed
His skill is superior, as is his strength
Link leaves the Warden to die after a length
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