I don't know enough about Sinister to argue with that. but Siege had more then just them. they also had the Initiative and Hood's gang there. Which was people like the U-foes and wrecking crew respectively.
Why the hell do I need to respond to that? You're claiming that Sinister would beat -or wreck don't remember- the forces assembled against Asgard when you don't even want to include Void and have no clue who actually was in the battle. The Dark Avengers and the Thunderbolts? They make up maybe half of the force. Less if you include H.A.M.M.E.R. and all it's resources.
That gauntlet type little break down was amusing but telling to make a counter argument when you've made it a habit of dodging my points with jokes or dismissing shit that puts you in an unfavorable position is downright funny.
True, but I only claimed Sinister would wipe the floor with the Dark Avengers and the Thunderbolts present during Siege. Don't know enough about the Hood's gang or the Initiative to make the call.
You've made a point at some point in this thread? All I remember are stupid faces and dismissive questioning.
I've already mentioned how Sentry and Ares are the only ones who could stop Sinister out of the two teams I claimed he'd wreck. Sentry for sure, anyhow; Ares is iffy. The rest get wiped out. So yeah, Sinister pretty much annihilates the Dark Avengers and the Thunderbolts on his own.
Never did I mention HAMMER, nor the Initiative, nor the U-Foes, nor the feckin' Hood's gang. I also didn't claim Sinister would have caused as much havoc on Asgard as Osborn's combined forces could have (most of which was caused by Sentry/Void anyhow), as you seem to imply I suggested.
I have never seen Apocalypse or Mr. Sinister wreck a team(s) of X-Men with a single move. Loki's done that. With a single finger. The other time he confronted the X-Men and Alpha Flight he no-sold everything they had and would have stomped them but for the Ones Who Dwell in Shadow. Loki left.
"Master, he is powerful... and a god. If he chooses to destroy us, how can humanity stand against him?" And how did Apocalypse respond with his base and Celestial tech wrecked? Like this: "Humanity must grow strong .. and quickly, Caliban."
If Apocalypse (or Caliban) truly felt like he stomped Loki, the obvious answer would have been, "I'll stop him as easy as I just did." That wasn't the case. Your one-sided interpretation of this fight fails to see the forest for the trees. Loki's feats outstrip Apocalypse's. And that fight wasn't one-sided in either respect. Apocalypse's owns words betray his own trepidation at being knocked around as equally as Loki was and having his Celestial tech utterly thwarted -- all in his own base where he had the opening move.
Then again, coming from the guy who thought Galactus sweat drops were an indication that Odin was definitively Galactus' peer, your hasty generalizations at this juncture are not surprising.
Way to leave out important text to make it seem as if you have a point.
Caliban : Master, he is powerful and a god. If he chooses to destroy us, how can humanity stand against him.
Apoc : Much of what he says are lies, but his hostility toward humanity is genuine. AND HE IS NOT ALONE IN HIS HATRED OF OUR KIND. Humanity must grow strong...and quickly.
I can't wait till Destroyer/Odin kicks Galactus' teeth in. Then it won't just be sweat, there'll be blood too.
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Loki's actions proved how powerful he was, not his words. Hell, when he claimed his Celestial tech wouldn't hold him for long, he busted right out of it then and there. The only statement of Loki's that Apocalypse was responding to that makes sense is Loki's claim that humanity would not last long enough to challenge the Gods. And Caliban's fears that Loki was powerful and a god and what humanity's chances were against him, are left unasnwered.
Sh1tty attempt at making Apocalypse out to have dominated Loki. Almost as sh1tty as your attempt to have Odin equal or dominate Galactus. You do this to yourself.
Do us all a favor and go headbutt yourself unconscious and dream of sweat drops.
Retreating, after being humiliated by someone he could supposedly crush, proves how powerful Loki was? You and I must have a different understanding of the word "powerful" where I'm from that's called "running with your tail between your legs".
Loki, god of lies.............and cowards!
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Choosing to hang your reasoning on a single encounter - which is being taken completely out of context - does Apoc no favors.
But let's go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt this time. Assuming Loki did run away from Apocalypse because he was "outmatched", you're not going to tell me you honestly think that encounter represents the be all end all to how they'd fight in a forum setting? If we decide to use your stance of one fight = the result of what would happen whenever a character would square against another character, you're not going to like the results you'll get in the grand scheme of things.
So, again, what was Apocalypse done under his own power that makes him superior to Loki? Surely if such a fight represents the reality in which the First Jobber beats Loki, you can think of more instances to justify his "superiorty" over a coward such as Loki, right?
What feats does Eternity have to place him above Thor? What feats do Order/Chaos have that place them above Odin? Feats are nice but don't mean jack when the two characters in question actually faced off against one another and one RAN.
Loki ran away after being b|tch slapped by Caliban then locked up in a cage like a dog. If Loki really is so far above Apoc, like you and others are claiming, why not get revenge as soon as he freed himself from the prison? Why run?
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Uh huh. So feats don't mean shit in comparison to actual fights. If that's the case, Loki's actual fights through out his career > Apocalypse's actual fights. Batman's beaten Superman in a fight, so I guess that's all that matters in the end.
Same reason why Loki doesn't always enact revenge plots right away if at all?
Leaving after wrecking Apocalypse's trump card in ruin, i.e., his Celestial tech?
Obiouvsly, you and I have a different idea of superiority. Amply demonstrated by Galactus sweat drops and Odin KTFO out from his own headbutt.
Srsly, you are the first person I go to in terms of deciding who will win a fight, Shall I repost some of your choice posts on the Odin/Galactus fight? Please say yes. After all, might as well go all for broke at this point, right? Right?
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Sep 26th, 2011 10:52 PM
Uh huh. So feats don't mean shit in comparison to actual fights. If that's the case, Loki's actual fights through out his career > Apocalypse's actual fights. Batman's beaten Superman in a fight, so I guess that's all that matters in the end.
