__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
Yes, thats true, but ive already said in this thread that Obi wan would not have the total mindset of killing his padawan. Therefore he wouldnt have given 100% like he would against a real enemy (eg grevious) because he's just found out that his "brother that he loved" turned to the dark side. That's probably why he was always on the defensive. Thats also why at the near the end he tried to say its over.
True we all know Obi-Wan is usually a very aggressive and offensive combatant
I'm still not buying it was in his character to do that. When else does he do such stupidly arrogant moves like that? Maybe that was in character for the newly twisted to the dark side Sith Anakin. But there's no way I see Jedi Knight Anakin making that move.
Last edited by Darth Thor on Oct 8th, 2012 at 10:51 PM
Throughout Anakin's ENTIRE history he made such moves. This was WELL DOCUMENTED THROUGH EACH MOVIE. Shit, Anakin even says so himself.. Obi is going to be pissed at me again for making this stupid move or that stupid move. I've lost my lighsaber again.. Obi will be really pissed. Going with the princess to try and help out Obi against dooku and millions of his army.. and getting captured.. bad move. OVER and OVER again he's made such moves and you go.. nuh uh.. I don't think he does such things.. WTF.. Did you even see the movie and the clear presentation of them and this being the case?
What?? So a Padawan occasionally losing his Lightsaber = An obvious future dumbass Jedi Knight who will clearly make a dumb and needless suicide jump??
Ashoka lost her Lightsaber in the episode "Lightsaber Lost" so I guess she's also obviously a dumbass who would make the same move??
And FYI it was Padme's decision to go try and save Obi-Wan in AOTC. So I guess Padme's also a clear dumb ass who would also make a needless suicide jump?!
The Clone Wars is the only series that properly shows Anakin as a Jedi Knight. And it's shown Skywalker fighting alongside Obi-Wan and other Masters like Mace Windu. And you know what? Skywalker's been shown to be smarter than any of them almost every time.
I believe he was referring to this:
Dead hands spasmed on triggers and blaster bolts sizzled through impossibly intricate lattices of ricochet. Obi-Wan barely caught some and flipped them at Anakin: a desperation move. Anything to distract him; anything to slow him down.Easily, contemptuously, Anakin sent them back, and the bolts flared between their blades until their galvening faded and the particles of the packeted beams dispersed into radioactive fog.....
A roar of the Force blasted Obi-Wan back into the wall, smashing breath from his lungs, leaving him swaying, half stunned.
If that doesn't show Anakin was clearly the superior combatant then I really don't know what does!!
Last edited by Darth Thor on Oct 9th, 2012 at 06:30 PM
If Anakin is so full of "stupid moves" in which Obi Wan can take advantage of each and every time, I wonder why their fight lasted so long. I wonder why Obi Wan took advantage of Anakin's stupid moves only after gaining the high ground. Why would Obi Wan want to purposely tire himself out like that?
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
Without that "recklessness" he never would have defeated Admiral Trench.
There's a difference between what the Jedi consider reckless and what's clearly a dumb move. It's definitely not normal for him to make such a dumb move. In fact he's actually probably smarter than Obi-Wan.
In the Clone Wars which you keep referencing that shows Anakin is so tactical and smart.. is the very movie he makes another stupid move in the highest form of canon. Very much like the one he made agaisnt dooku.. He tried to attack Dooku by himsefl when Kenobi already told him not to and they must do it together... The very time period you reference has he making another stupid bold move. As Neph says... this is a CONSTANT theme throughout ALL the movies and even books. How some of you can argue that it's not in character for him to make bold.. rash.. arrogant moves is beyond me.
As far as your quote goes.. I pray you're using good sarcasm.
Question.. Is it well documented that Anakin makes bold.. rash.. arrogant.. stupid moves? Simple. It's TOTALLY wiithin character for him to do so and that is exactly what he did. That isn't PIS.. that is anakin fighting in character. Smart at first.. but eventually he gets reckless.
Obi Wan is definitely a clever fighter, but without those same exact circumstances I don't see Obi Wan pulling off a victory. Most likely Anakin will eventually overpower Obi Wan. Obi Wan did all he could just to last as long as he did on Mustafar.
Anakin may be reckless, but he's not stupid. Anakin's stupidity was PIS.
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
When the character has a history of such stupidity, it's CIS. Anakin being reckless and leaping before he's looked is a notable part of his character. Therefore, it's Character Induced Stupidity.
I've always seen CIS as just a subsection of PIS. Characters becoming stupid for the sake of the plot.
__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
CIS is much more excusable than PIS. In PIS the plot bends towards the stupid in order to justify itself. In CIS the stupidity is a natural part of the plot, established beforehand.
Yeah, but Lucien's argument is decidedly far more logical than his opponents'... Anakin's recklessness hasn't handicapped him in every fight he's been in and he's shown enormous talent as a military tactician and engineer. To be frank, he's probably a genius.
Oct 8th, 2012 08:55 PM
