Saw the scan. Seems more like an ability to open up space but by puking which is how most RLs operate. If Surfer holds up his hand and blast space open, that doesn't mean all his blast can tear apart space. My point is, A can open space with his puke, not that his puke is so powerful it's tearing up space because we've seen the majority of his appearances where his puke doesn't do this.
Stardust can open up space too, it doesn't mean all his attacks can tear space it. Vomit for a RL is like a GL pointing his ring and willing things into existence.
The weapons themselves are equal, but the methods in which Bill/Thor employ the exotic abilities of said weapons is VASTLY different. Simply put: Thor uses the exotic abilities of his hammer a LOT more, and a LOT better, than Bill. Just because Thor has used Mjolnir one way, doesn't mean Bill would use Stormbreaker the same way. Again: Thor=/=Bill.
I believe Stormbreaker could soak/block Atro's attacks just fine, if said energies struck the hammer itself. However, there's no proof that his shielding would hold up... Especially given that Atro EASILY ripped through space with a single burst of his energy (even Black Bolt's voice had to be focused/amplified for him to preform a similar feat.)
...And I love how often the term "space cheese" is getting used around here. Seems like that's what everyone is calling feats they don't like nowadays. /shrug
Actually, if we averaged out their appearances, Bill might very well be more exotic and a smarter fighter than Thor. That being said, I will not deny that Thor has done things with Mjolnir that Bill has not yet replicated. However, I'm not arguing that Bill is going to replicate the God Blast or anything.
I'm referring to defensive methods, and all of Thor's classically used moves (Vortex, shield, hammer block etc.) has all been replicated by Bill. And since the hammer's are equal in power, I don't even see what their is to debate about. Shielding is something Bill has employed more than once.
Holy shit, I've said this more than once, but I'll say it one more time just so it sticks. Being able to breach space/time is not in itself evidence that Atrocitus can penetrate Stormbreaker's defenses. What don't you understand man? Thor has done the very same with a single hammer blow, a poke, he's casually blocked energies from beings that fart and blow a hole through space/time.
It's not special, it's really not even that impressive in the grand scheme of elites.
I mean common, heralds do that shit regularly for travel when they tear open space with wormholes etc. Heck, Stardust tore a hole in space-time when he summoned the gateway to Azeroth's prison with a sweep of his weapon. And compared to Bill's defenses, he was b*tch made.
Anyways, if you still don't get it then I give up, to each his own. Unless you want to take it to a battlezone (Which I'm actually down for since I have some spare time), I'm done with this topic of discussion.
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You're downplaying blasting a hole in space, just because "Thor's done it too." Superman once saved the omniverse by vibrating. Does that mean saving the omniverse is 'teh weeksawce'? C'mon. Don't downplay just to downplay. Anyone who reads comics knows that creating a tear in the fabric of space by "incinerating space" is a pretty damn good feat.
Again: Bill's hammer can hold up to Atro's attacks IF said attacks hit the hammer itself. There is NO evidence, however, that Bill's external shielding can hold up to those same attacks... Because he's never used external shielding to defend against attacks of that magnitude. Never. If you disagree, then I challenge you to post a single scan to the contrary. Conversely, Bill HAS used Stormbreaker itself to block high-level attacks-- which is why Stormbreaker itself can block Atro's energies.
Except every other time he vomits it doesn't incinerate space. He blast a hole through space by a concentration and rage. A GL will a blast to open space would be not different. It's just an ability to open up space channeled through vomit and rage, his vomit doesn't exactly open up space just because it's that powerful,otherwise all his previous vomits would've torn apart space.
well no, he chose to do it and that blast would be for that purpose, but i think the issue is assuming he did so with heat and not just a "warp gate beam"
Free internet scans, take what I can get. I'm sure you've got DSL or cable at this point. Maybe somebody poor Afghan with his dial-up wouldn't like what I just did.
Guy Gardner is certainly the most impressive Red Lantern so far. And Guy Gardner has absolutely nothing to do with this thread, which involves Atrocitus.
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