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Vader vs. Revan--who is better in each category?
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The_Tempest
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Since when, lmfao?


We see more opinions and arguments in favor of that sentiment than to the contrary. Across the internet, the majority vastly favors Sidious over the likes of Vitiate and Revan and, more often than not, to an excessive degree.

Since we must abide by the wisdom of the majority, Sidious clearly must be >>>>>>>>>>> Vitiate.

{he's not, but that's what you get when you subscribe to "majority rules" logic. [This wisdom offered to you by the guy who leads the majority btw]}

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Originally posted by Nargaroth
Well, that means that he shouldn't be underestimated, but it's not enough to put him even close to Revan. And Vader likely wasn't allowed to have access to the same knowledge as those dark side acolytes simply because he would use it much better than them, and that would be dangerous for Palpatine.

That would explain why we don't see him use that many powers in combat, though that's probably also because Vader is a Sith Juggernaut.

He was implied however to known many more powers than the ones listed in the Shadows Of The Empire Sourcebook. It was also stated that Galen Marek learned to use "many fearsome dark side powers" from Vader, so that's at least proof that he is no slouch in this regard.



Palpatine wouldn't give him access to powers that could be used against him that's all. Other than that, there's absolutely no reason to assume Palpatine's adepts would be given more access to sith secrets than Palpatine's only sith disciple. Palpatine went on record to state what he hid from Vader (I believe some of Naga's and Kun's secrets). Also, I forget which source states that most of the adepts were jealous of Vader being the apprentice, but I know there is one (if I can't find it, I'll concede that notion), which wouldn't make sense unless being a sith gives you more privileges, and knowledge would be the most apparent one, as that's what most dark siders crave the most.

All in all, there's absolutely nothing to support the notion that Palpatine would give his mere adepts access to knowledge that he would hold back from Vader, and a lot to support the opposite. That's the whole point of being an apprentice.


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That's not true, Beefy, you go out of your way to respond.

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That's not true, Beefy, you go out of your way to respond.


First time in what, 3-4 weeks? Great point there thumb up


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First time in what, 3-4 weeks? Great point there thumb up


S66 really isn't active on here either, so actually, it is. thumb up

{You're getting pretty riled up here, tho.}

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That's not true, Beefy, you go out of your way to respond.



thumb up

And even keeps track of the responses.


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I love your dynamic tbh. Each of you trying to outtroll the other. It pleases me.

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It definitely beats you sucking Sidious cock Tempest thumb up


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Nothing beats that, Cart.

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Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
It's pretty retarded that you're using Ahsoka to lowball,

You were the one who brought up beating magnaguards as being superior to something, not I, so how am I lowballing. She's a Padawan, one clearly bellow Ventress, so using an opponent she is greater than as a baseline is kind of stupid.
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and to ignore Fisto's feats, and suggest beating droids built to fight off weak jedi (your own admission of the jedi in that era)

The ****? Compared to the monsters of the PT like Anakin, Sidious, Yoda, Dooku, or Maul? Sure, but you are confusing me with someone else. I've always advocated for the KotOR having pretty elite Jedi, because that's said in game. They're all elite war veterans, so please tell me the logic behind them being weak compared to randoms in the PT?
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is better than beating Fisto when he's beat magnaguards who can react to jedi in the prime of it's order, and have been stated to have lightspeed (maybe it was fraction of lightspeed) reaction speed. Other than claiming the SF forces are better, do you have anything to show that they are faster than magnaguards? I can bust out with a bunch of highly detailed feats as opposed to ones that only suggest a force user is above average.

You could, you know, play the game? It's all said in there. And Revan faced armies, literal armies, of said droids, at a time. For hours. Fisto going up a few magnaguards doesn't compare in anyway. It doesn't mean Fisto is weak. It means Revan is stronger.
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I'm referring to Revan before he got his new feat of knocking down a group of jedi with a gust of wind, which isn't much above Savage,

Savage isn't ragdolling Marr, Satele, Protags and friends. erm
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BTW, since most put him above Dooku before that time. What TK feats does he have that are above Ventress, let alone the guy who can ragdoll Ventress. The best you can give me is a game mechanic feat, which lacks context other than us knowing it happened.

It happens in a cutscene. How is a cutscene a game mechanic? It's a plot telling device by definition. erm
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You're struggling to prove superiority over Ventress,

I don't need to prove superiority over Ventress, because you were the one who said Ventress compares. The burden of proof lies with you, and I find it lacking. Regardless, I've sighted examples of Revan's superior combat record to Ventress, as well as his feats in speed, and you've given me Magnaguards.
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and that's against me throwing out feat off the top of my head, and not even getting into it like I would be able to on a laptop and more research.

Get to it then. I'm waiting for something substantial, anything really, and I have all the time in the world to wait.
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Bringing up Ahsoka is a noticeable sign of the struggle. My point here is, if you're having trouble with Ventress, how on earth do you expect him to be on par with Dooku--feats only?

It's kind of funny how you think one needs to lowball someone who loses constantly in almost every appearance she has. You putting your fingers in your ears and saying, "But Fisto," doesn't really change that.

It also has shit to do with this thread.

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I don't think S66 is saying Ventress is above Revan, really. I think he's just saying that to inflame the ire of his enemies.

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his enemies.


lol

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Originally posted by The_Tempest
I love your dynamic tbh. Each of you trying to outtroll the other. It pleases me.


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{You're getting pretty riled up here, tho.}

Oh yea, what gave it away, the picture of the guy yawning? Lol

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I don't think S66 is saying Ventress is above Revan, really. I think he's just saying that to inflame the ire of his enemies.

I think none of us (except for you)would be surprised if he was serious.


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This is war brah.

goddammit Beefy, quit interrupting me.

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S66, are you interested in a formal Ventress x Revan debate on Friday to Saturday?


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Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Palpatine wouldn't give him access to powers that could be used against him that's all. Other than that, there's absolutely no reason to assume Palpatine's adepts would be given more access to sith secrets than Palpatine's only sith disciple. Palpatine went on record to state what he hid from Vader (I believe some of Naga's and Kun's secrets). Also, I forget which source states that most of the adepts were jealous of Vader being the apprentice, but I know there is one (if I can't find it, I'll concede that notion), which wouldn't make sense unless being a sith gives you more privileges, and knowledge would be the most apparent one, as that's what most dark siders crave the most.

All in all, there's absolutely nothing to support the notion that Palpatine would give his mere adepts access to knowledge that he would hold back from Vader, and a lot to support the opposite. That's the whole point of being an apprentice.


That would mean, however, that he also knows powers like Drain, Teleport, Sith Sorcery, Sith Alchemy, Battle Meditation and so on, which leads me to ask why he never used them.


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Pretty sure he used all those but Teleportation - but I see your point. thumb up


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Originally posted by psmith81992
I think none of us (except for you)would be surprised if he was serious.


Your anger towards S66 is misplaced. Dude's just rightly putting Sidious at the top of the heap. Nothing wrong with that.

I think you don't hate 66 as much as you hate Sidious himself. Which is weird, because you were such a devoted champion of the Emperor for so long.

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This is war brah.


I'm still waiting to hear your Caedus/Sidious comparison tbh.

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