Because of, like I said, the psychological aspects of facing someone who has been controlling your life since childhood. That's not the kind of thing you can ignore with a thumbs up and smartass remarks. Palpatine is obviously more powerful, and any advantage Vader may have in sabers is probably marginal. Doesn't change what I said one bit.
Anakin was close to Palpatine and under the guys thumb pretty strongly, but Vader isn't. Vader knows that Sidious is a terrible ******* who's been manipulating and lying to him for decades and who cost him Padme. Sidious also threatens him quite a lot, theres no longer any warmth in their relationship.
Sidious also lied to him about Padme dying and in the comic where Vader finds that out he gets ungodly pissed at Sidious but backs down when actually talking to him.
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Unless he actually tired to kill him, I don't see the point.
Not at all. If you don't think that someone who has a large amount of influence over you can dictate how to react to any situation, then you're lulzworthy. Do you honestly think Anakin would just become Vader for any random that came up to him and said, "I'm an all powerful Sith Lord and I can help you save your wife." Or, "Yeah, you should just kill him because why not?"
I'm sure. He thinks his fresh out of teenaged son, who also can supposedly be defeated by many of the higher ups, would bridge this gap relatively quickly though.
Really? When you brought that up first in this very thread, about me taking Filoni's opinions.
And when exactly did I say his words were Canon?
Quote me, or quit your obsession over me.
I only took some things he said seriously when they were backed up by Lucas. I guess Lucas was never Canon either.
LOL Really I shat myself? What exactly did I shat myself over?
Do you even know who my favorite Villains are? Clue: Not Sidious.
Again, I only listened to the Cowboy where either concerning his own show, or where he's saying something backed up by Lucas. The guy was taught by Lucas after all.
And all this was before the new Marvel line of Canon comics, and the new Source Books. They take priority now. Whilst at the time I was quoting Filoni (and Lucas) you were not agreeing because it Contradicted Legends. I.e. Non-Canon stuff.
And you still haven't offered how this goes against what I said. Especially since you claimed Vader being superior in sabers means he should have been able to kill Palpatine.
I stopped talking to you, you brought me back into the discussion of your own accord in a post not even originally directed at me, lel.
You've jumped peen-first onto quotes like Dave's opinion that Grievous derives all of his combative talent from the way he spins his lightsabers in a scary way and that if a Jedi doesn't shit themselves Grievous is shit outta luck (which was recently contradicted by Ultimate Star Wars saying Grievous is a master of numerous forms and that his augmentations give him the capacity to combat Jedi directly, funnily enough).
I don't have a direct quote for you or other examples I remember, it was a while ago and I don't stalk you, lol.
You've been getting upset that a pretty blatant top 5 list in regards to lightsaber ability has Vader as it's #1 and it doesn't include Opress. Pretty sure you're upset that our Good Lord Sheev has potentially been surpassed by Vader with a lightsaber; it's understandable.
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Page 2 on this very thread you Quoted me saying this:
The double standards of your accusations are getting pretty weird now.
Which was more Credit than Lucas ever gave him. Because he outright said Grievous was obviously a skilled swordsman, and that he could be a threat to any Jedi like that.
Whilst Lucas states Grievous is just a very cowardly villain (ROTS Audio commentary), and it was Him who ordered Grievous to be defeated by Gungans, something Filoni tired to object against, but Lucas wouldn't have it.
A source that came AFTER those conversations. So I never brought it up again after that.
Which is Evidence I've never put Filoni above Canon Sources.
Also Filoni never said Grievous can't fight Jedi directly.
Of course you don't LOL. Because you're talking out your ass.
I never said Filoni was Canon. But before the Disney Source Books, his opinions (ESPECIALLY Where Backed up by Lucas) were the closest link we had to Canon. Him, Pablo Hidalgo, Leeland Chee and the Official Site.
Nice Conspiracy.
But did it ever occur to you I just think Using a Top 5 list over Feats and Evidence is silly? Probably not, because you're still obsessing over those Lucas/Filoni quotes I provided all those months ago, and the general ass kicking I would give you in debates.
And turns out Even the Offical Site like to Quote Filoni when speaking about Canon, and how Great Luke is. Oh the Irony..
But some how if I do so, "He's obsessed with Filoni." LOL
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Again, I stopped talking to you, but you brought me back into the discussion. Like when you read a message on Facebook and don't reply and the person you're speaking shoots you another like "are you there?". Kinda weird, re-posting my first post in this thread doesn't change that.
And in response to you bringing up Lucas or TCW I would discuss Grievous in Legends exclusively; you seem to take issue with people having EU only debates, probably because of the lack of spoon-fed creator commentary available.
Point is, you used to use Filoni's personal opinion as objective evidence in a debate, an opinion that turned out to be pretty poorly thought out at the end of the day. That's all.
Filoni's opinions.. aren't the closest link we had to canon. We had the primary source material itself, lol.
What's ironic? I didn't say Filoni lacked credibility, I said that when he regards Grievous as someone whose main niche is spinning his wightsabers weawwy weawwy fwast I'm calling bullshit. It's a case of everyone's shit smelling like shit, even Filoni's.
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I've just showed you how you actually quoted me First, specfically bringing up the Filoni thing, on Page 2 of this very thread. All I did was mention your name regarding the same topic YOU Brought up While Quoting ME- Filoni.
You are sounding pretty dense right now. Read the first point on my last post.
No, I've never had issues with an EU Only debate. Although even in the Old EU, Lucas was considered G-Canon.
So whichever way you look at it, your constant little digs at me are clearly your own frustration coming out.
When backed by Lucas. Again Lucas was always Canon in the Old-Eu. Also when discussing TCW fights. I'm sure your not dense enough to suggest Filoni had no say over TCW fights.
No, it was actually the closest we had to Canon at the time.
But I never said it was Canon.
LOL There wasn't much at the time because of the Canon Revamp.
And Lucas's words always trumped all. Filoni was just expanding further on Lucas's views, and actually giving Grievous much more credit than Lucas ever did.
LOL That's all you've implied over and over.
As opposed to Lucas stating Grievous is a cowardly pathetic villain and Gungans are > Grievous. Nice
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