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I'm curious though, since when did anyone follow all the rules written in the scripture. Since when did believing in any religion make you perfect.
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Actually that not entirely true.
Suicide is forbidden, but killing, and having yourself be the cause of death against the infidels, you go straight to heaven.
quote: Suicide bombings as acts of terrorism have spurred some Muslims to provide scholastic refutations of suicide bombings and to condemn them. For example, Ihsanic Intelligence, a London-based Islamic think tank, published a study on suicide bombings that concluded, "suicide bombing is anathema, antithetical and abhorrent to Sunni Islam. It is considered legally forbidden, constituting a reprehensible innovation in the Islamic tradition, morally an enormity of sin combining suicide and murder and theologically an act which has consequences of eternal damnation".[48]
Oxford-based Malaysian jurist Shaykh Afifi al-Akiti, issued his fatwa forbidding suicide bombing and targeting innocent civilians: "If the attack involves a bomb placed on the body or placed so close to the bomber that when the bomber detonates it the bomber is certain [yaqin] to die, then the More Correct Position according to us is that it does constitute suicide. This is because the bomber, being also the Maqtul [the one killed], is unquestionably the same Qatil [the immediate/active agent that kills] = Qatil Nafsahu [killing oneself, i.e., suicide]."[49]
In January 2006, a Shiite marja cleric, Ayatollah al-Udhma Yousof al-Sanei decreed a fatwa against suicide bombing declaring it as a "terrorist act" and the Saudi grand mufti as well as other Sunni scholars similarly denounced suicide attacks regardless of their offensive or defensive characterization.[44][50][51]
Scholar Bernard Lewis states, "At no time did the classical jurists offer any approval or legitimacy to what we nowadays call terrorism. Nor indeed is there any evidence of the use of terrorism as it is practiced nowadays".[46] Similarly, Noah Feldman writes that the Islamic reasoning of suicide attackers is not convincing as martyrdom in Islam typically refers to another person killing a Muslim warrior, not the warrior pushing "the button himself". In addition, "The killing of women and children has proved harder to explain away as a permissible exercise of jihad." This "illustrates the nature of the difficulty of reconciling suicide bombing with Islamic law".[44]
As Charles Kimball, the University of Oklahoma's Director of Religious Studies, pointed out that Islam "clearly prohibits suicide" by citing "the hadith materials, which are the authoritative sayings and actions of the prophet, Muhammad, includes many unambiguous statements about suicide: one who 'throws himself off a mountain' or 'drinks poison' or 'kills himself with a sharp instrument' will be in the fire of Hell. Suicide is not allowed even to those in extreme conditions such as painful illness or a serious wound".[52] Other Islamic groups such as the European Council for Fatwa and Research cite the Quran'ic verse Al-An'am 6:151 as a prohibition against suicide: "And take not life, which Allah has made sacred, except by way of justice and law".[53] Dr. Hassan Ali El-Najjar says that the hadith unambiguously forbid suicide.[54]
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As posted above...
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I'm curious though, since when did anyone follow all the rules written in the scripture. Since when did believing in any religion make you perfect.
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Why did they bomb them?????? Everyone keeps apologizing for the problem. No one actually has a plan to fix it.
Destroy ISIS. Its that simple.
YET NO ONE WILL DO IT.
That's not a plan. That's a goal. The plan is what you will do to achieve that goal.
So...What's your plan?
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Mar 24th, 2016 01:32 AM
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Destroy ISIS, its really not that complicated.
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Mar 24th, 2016 01:33 AM
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Again; that's not a plan.
If you were the coach of a team would you go into a game with the sole preparation and planning being shouting at the top of your voice at your team "WIN THE GAME" and then just let your players run around randomly with no tactics planned out?
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Nice try but it wont work. I know what you are trying to do.
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Mar 24th, 2016 01:44 AM
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Nice try but it wont work. I know what you are trying to do.
I'm trying to get you to state a feasible plan.
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Mar 24th, 2016 01:48 AM
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Im not falling for this.
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Mar 24th, 2016 01:49 AM
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Falling for what?
You're forever going on about there being no plan.
Gimme a plan. Any plan.
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Mar 24th, 2016 01:52 AM
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If I give you a plan you will just dissect it and act like you are a great military commander and say it wont work.
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Mar 24th, 2016 01:55 AM
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I promise I won't say a word.
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Invade, destroy. Set up a two state solution.
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Mar 24th, 2016 02:38 AM
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Falling for what?
You're forever going on about there being no plan.
Gimme a plan. Any plan.
Carpet bomb every ISIS stronghold into dust, use a multi-national force to close off every border around Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and a couple other ME countries. Use air patrols to bomb anyone trying to sneak over the border.
How do you beat cancer? You stop it from spreading, then you shrink it down as much as possible until it's destroyed.
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Ok. That's definitely part of a plan.
Using your cancer analogy. Hasn't it already spread? Libya, Nigeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Burkina Faso, Niger. Not to mention that most attacks in Europe were by so-called home grown terrorists. There's even been 7 ISIS inspired attacks in the US
How about funding, communication and ideology?
How would you tackle those aspects?
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Using your cancer analogy. Hasn't it already spread? Libya, Nigeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Burkina Faso, Niger. Not to mention that most attacks in Europe were by so-called home grown terrorists. There's even been 7 ISIS inspired attacks in the US
Oh yea, so lets let them continue to grow. DO you know anything about ISIS or the land they hold and what it means?
ISIS is the truest form of Islam, and if they hold land, they are considered legitimate in the eyes of the Koran, and people will continue to flock to them and be inspired until we take their land.
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Mar 24th, 2016 03:48 AM
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So you can take the "state" away from Islamic State. That I agree with. Does that eliminate the threat? We took Afghanistan away from Al Qaeda but they increased their capability until we started seizing financial assets and removing their primary fundraisers.
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