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Who could have evacuated that city like flash did at the same speed or faster?
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DarkSaint85
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Originally posted by Sin I AM
it was stated that he moved at a trillion times the speed of light in the comic? I don't remember that...I thought it was sub-light speed.


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Originally posted by JBL
Let's go with the calculated speed which is far far faster than light.


Spetz did the calculations:
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Originally posted by spetznaz
I just posted on another thread. He evacuated a city of 500,000 people, carrying the people in ones and twos to a location 35 miles away, while a nuclear weapon was detonating ...in 0.00001 of a microsecond. Considering a microsecond is a millionth of a second, he did it in 0.00001 of a millionth of a second.

Considering distance, and that he had to do that trip multiple times back and forth (each trip being 35 miles x2 times the number of people he's carrying depending whether it is ones or twos), it was calculated he was traveling between 9 to 13 trillion times the speed of light.


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The only feat I know of that rivals(perhaps beats) the raw speed Wally displayed in that showing, is Azrael 1M's feat here:
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On average, Pluto and Mars are ~4 billion miles apart. Azrael 1M covered that distance in a nanosecond(one billionth of a second.) Iirc, that also works out to trillionS of times c... But I don't care to redo the math.

*And that was after he flew from Earth to Pluto in the space of a single panel... But since an exact timeframe wasn't given in that instance, I'll stick with the 'lesser' feat I mentioned above. smile


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The only feat I know of that rivals(perhaps beats) the raw speed Wally displayed in that showing, is Azrael 1M's feat here:
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On average, Pluto and Mars are ~4 billion miles apart. Azrael 1M covered that distance in a nanosecond(one billionth of a second.) Iirc, that also works out to trillionS of times c... But I don't care to redo the math.

*And that was after he flew from Earth to Pluto in the space of a single panel... But since an exact timeframe wasn't given in that instance, I'll stick with the 'lesser' feat I mentioned above. smile
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His power seems more like teleportation rather than true flight

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It's like what Son Goku can do


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^ Except we can *see* him physically flying -- even leaves a trail behind him. Yes, there is a sort of metaphysical component at work(ie. he thinks of a destination, and the wings take him there) -- but he still *flies* to get there.


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Only cause he's being transported to his destination.


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*via flight... Which is my point.

It is not teleportation in the classic sense. Azrael is clearly *flying* to his destination(s); not just instantly materializing to them.


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It makes him incorporeal as he travels, apparently against his will. He traveled back in time using the wings but can't "solidify"

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Idunno. It really doesn't seem like flight to me, it seems like it's a "you can be anywhere, any time while wearing this thing" gadget


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Becoming incorporeal when he enters the past does not change anything. The wings were very specifically designed to take Azrael to *any* point in time/space. All he has to do is think of a destination, and they transport him there. Why? Because Sister Dumas wanted her 'angels' to move at the speed of thought:
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Anyway, I think his movement is very clearly flight. As I said: we can *see* him physically flying to his destinations, and even leaving a trail behind him:
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*That would definitely not be the case if he were simply teleporting from A-to-B... Nor would he need 'wings' to do so. After all, teleportation devices were readily available in the 853rd century. The Justice Legion Alpha, for example, had Boom Tubes built into their costumes, ffs.


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I'm not disputing that, but since it cannot be argued that he can go any slower than that, it looks closer to translocation in my own opionion

Anyway, agree to disagree


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It's definitely not typical physical flight.


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It is still a manner of flight-based travel speed. Azrael is most definitely *flying*; not teleporting... Which is my point.

It takes a feat of *that* magnitude just to rival the evacuation showing. That tells you how f*cking incredible Wally's feat really is -- even by comic book standards. thumb up


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I don't know if this is an apt description or not, but it almost seems like a long distance catapult for your soul and your body follows after like its attached by rope.


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Death Sentry and Genis-Vell have some monstrous speed feats. Where they ever calculated?


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It'd be hard to calculate Death Sentry's feat with any kind of precision, imo. All we know for sure is that he flew Thor "many light years away", whilst flying "many times the speed of light", in like 2 pages. /shrug


On an unrelated note, Supreme's feat is also quite uber -- he flew from Earth, to beyond the galactic rim, in the space of a single page:
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Ridiculously beyond c. thumb up


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Genis traveled 30 light years in under 3 hours, thats roughly 100,000c.


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Originally posted by psycho gundam
Maybe he got a little tired REKINDLING A GODDAMN SUN

That was a micro sun of a micro system. Barely the size of his palm actually.

If that's all it takes him to get tired......

laughing out loud


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Originally posted by Galan007
It'd be hard to calculate Death Sentry's feat with any kind of precision, imo. All we know for sure is that he flew Thor "many light years away", whilst flying "many times the speed of light", in like 2 pages. /shrug


I guess its not quantifiable. But still impressive. Going at least faster than Thor top end flight speed, given that Thor is having a hard time coping with his speed, and the affects that its bringing to time/space.


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On average, Pluto and Mars are ~4 billion miles apart. Azrael 1M covered that distance in a nanosecond(one billionth of a second.) Iirc, that also works out to trillionS of times c... But I don't care to redo the math.
I'll do it smile and if my calcs are correct, this does beat Flash's city evac feat (at least in terms of sheer speed; Az didn't have to do anything other than straightforward speeding, ie, nothing like safe people-carrying).

Flash's feat calculates to a max speed of 19 trillion cee (calcs done in a prior post).

Based on the numbers provided above, Azrael's speed was over 21 teracee:

Light takes 1 sec to cover 186,000 miles.
Light takes 21,505 seconds (almost 6 hours) to cover 4,000,000,000 miles. To cover 4 gigamiles in 1 second = 21,505 cee.
To cover that in 1/1,000,000,000 of a second = 21.5 kilocee X 1 billion = >21 trillion cee.

Given how relatively close 19 trillion and 21 trillion are, what if Azrael had to duplicate Flash's exact feat? Carrying thousands upon thousands of people to safety? Would that slow him down at all?

Just sayin'.


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What's 2 trillion times the speed of light between mates, eh?

Problem is of course that it also relies on Azrael's reflex speeds, to search for Korean grannies etc.


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What's 2 trillion times the speed of light between mates, eh?

Problem is of course that it also relies on Azrael's reflex speeds, to search for Korean grannies etc.


are there any feats in comics above trillions of times c?


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