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please explain how that is hypocritical?


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I'm guessing you can't?

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I'm guessing you can't?


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please explain how that is hypocritical?



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So still no answer? It's ok

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I thought this was a thread about the London terror attack, my bad.

Can someone point me to the thread that is actually about the attack? I'd like to offer my condolences and praise the Imam for his actions.


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Urm excuse me. Have you just got your head in the sand or something. You're the same guy who every time there's a terrorist attack sarcastically shouts out #NotAllMuslims before even showing ANY sympathy for the victims at all.


Uh dude, accusations like what you just said are why I'm bringing this up. You run your mouth when you think I'm doing what you just said. But someone else does it? Silence reigns. So I do not not want to hear *any* whining from you in the future about making assumptions, derailing,etc.. You are done with that.

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Again I get hat you're butthurt every time an attack doesn't fit into your HateMuslims and their Religion agenda. But those of us who care are just fed up of all the hate mongering started by guys like you that eventually lead to these killings.


Lol so just to be clear, it's okay for you to be "fed up" with the "hate mongering" but if people express they are fed up with Muslim extremist attacks you throw a b*tch fit and begin talking about white supremacy.

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So yeah you accusing me of not having a moral high ground is frankly laughable.


Here is the thing: you never actually had any moral high ground here. You had the illusion of it, but now that is gone because of your hypocrisy. You shattered your own illusion.


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Can you cite this claim in particular? Whatever else you want to say about Sarkeesian, she has been very consistent in her promotion of nonviolence in pretty much any medium or IRL.

****! I meant Everyday Feminism, apologies for misrepresenting Anita Sarkeesian even though I heavily disagree with her views and behavior, got Everyday Feminism and Feminist Frequency mixed up in my head.
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His sights aren't targeted on Christians because most Christians are fake Christians (like dmb),

I prefer to view it as I'm a Christian with a strong faith in the core values of Christianity, in the example of Jesus, and the Holy Trinity and I reject the parts of say the bible for example that contradict those core values, but call it whatever you want I guess.


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A white man drives into a group of Muslim worshipers near a mosque. Almost immediately everyone calls this a terror attack. A Muslim man nearly does the same thing in an attempted suicide car-bomb attack and it takes over a day for the words "terror attack" to even be mentioned in a whisper by the media. Whatever fits the narrative.


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So still no answer? It's ok


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Wow... the amount of partisanship in here is cancerous


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please explain how that is hypocritical?



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Is there even a shred of evidence that the Quebec terrorist was a Trump fan or are the KMC Nazi patrol just this delusional that they are on Soviet level whataboutery?


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Uh dude, accusations like what you just said are why I'm bringing this up. You run your mouth when you think I'm doing what you just said. But someone else does it? Silence reigns. So I do not not want to hear *any* whining from you in the future about making assumptions, derailing,etc.. You are done with that.



Lol so just to be clear, it's okay for you to be "fed up" with the "hate mongering" but if people express they are fed up with Muslim extremist attacks you throw a b*tch fit and begin talking about white supremacy.



Here is the thing: you never actually had any moral high ground here. You had the illusion of it, but now that is gone because of your hypocrisy. You shattered your own illusion.


The problem Surt is your hypocrisy/ignorance. If you truly cared about stopping Islamic terror, you would realize that Islamic terror, just like all other terror attacks, gang attacks, racism, and pretty much all atrocties throughout history, including this one, is not caused by any inherent concepts of ideologies, but rather a mixture of PERSONAL embitterment and/or SUBJECTIVE INTERPRETATION of the ideology by the practitioner. Some violent people just have violent tendencies. Some may have had
actual or perceived traumatic backgrounds that caused embitterment. Some grow up in conditions where either harsh Darwinist living and/or casual human rights violations are the norm of societal conditions.

The thing is that anybody with violent intentions can twist an ideology to justify their violence. Its clear in passages of the Bible and Koran that both were used during antiquity as tools for conquest and oppression. The cure for this is compassion and understanding in order to separate those who want peace from those who are violent. The problem is that you support Trump, who does the opposite of this by dehumanizing the entire "horrid" religion of Islam and then funding the violence with $118 billion.

Also, you ignore the embitterment that Muslims obviously have considering we're continuing to wage violence in their countries. What do you think happens to the children and loved ones of innocents who die in U.S. airstrikes? Radical warlords and terrorists use religion as a tool of power to promise revenge for these traumatized people, who in turn use religion as a tool for their embitterment. How do you think Ayatollah Khoemini overthrew Iran. He used Islam as a tool of power to brainwash those embittered by the atrocities of the Shah. This is how all violent ideologies thrive. Gangs use this method, using the ideology of gang identity rather than religion as a tool of power to brainwash those embittered by poverty. Hitler used this method to rule Nazi Germany. Buddhists are becoming terrorists. As Phillip Zambardo stated, the cause of evil comes from a mix of dispositional, situational, and systemic conditions.

You want to stop the effect of Islamic terror but you refuse to see the complex cause, ignoring it and going with the false but more simplistic belief that the entire religion is inherently evil. If you did see the complex cause, you would become pissed not at the Islamic religion (whose peaceful practioners are constantly marching against, fighting, and being attacked by terrorists and human rights violating regimes) but at the people funding the radicals who use Islam as a tool of oppression and terrorism, AKA Trump (the guy you voted for) giving billions to the most powerful radical Islamic state on the planet (whose terrorists committed 9/11, the ultimate Islamic terror attack) despite his Islamophobic scaremongering (which has scared his dumbass supporters into viewing the entire religion as "horrid", meaning that they're cowards whom the terrorists managed to successfully terrorize) which creates Anti-Western embitterment that allows radicals to keep recruiting and a distrust of secular values, which keeps the religion from progressing.

Its horrifically devious how ignorant Islamic radicals are funded and wise moderates (such as the thousands who marched against ISIS just recently, or the imam, whose "horrid religion", caused him to protect Osborne during his arrest) are silenced. Both the warlords and dictators of third world countries that primarily produce and the greedy plutocratic politicians of first world countries that primarily consume are able to profit from the needless competitive tribalism, no matter the cost of the lives and livelihoods of the millions of innocent victims, as the fear is used to spread ignorance in order to demand unquestioning blind loyalty and obedience from their constituencies. The Saudis, ISIS, and Trump are clearly doing this, and yet you chose to ignore it.

And while you can argue that all prior presidents did this, the argument for Trump's candidacy was that he was unlike any of the past president due to his inexperience (aka INCOMPETENCE) with politics and his wealth meaning he wouldn't have a need to be a plutocratic politician and would take the right steps to stop radical Islam. These arguments turned out to be absolute bullshit. And yet you fail to hold either him or yourself accountable for buying his bullshit, which makes you look like the ultimate foolish pawn.

So quite simply, Surt, every time you attack Islam as "horrid", yet don't attack Trump even harder, you show a, well, deplorable amount of hypocrisy and ignorance.

And Again, if you think it's just Islam that incites violence, look at this attack. Any ideology can become "horrid" if the person wants it to be. If you want to stop future attacks like the Finsbury Park attack, you need to understand this.


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The problem Surt is your hypocrisy/ignorance. If you truly cared about stopping Islamic terror, you would realize that Islamic terror, just like all other terror attacks, gang attacks, racism, and pretty much all atrocties throughout history, including this one, is not caused by any inherent concepts of ideologies, but rather a mixture of PERSONAL embitterment and/or SUBJECTIVE INTERPRETATION of the ideology by the practitioner. Some violent people just have violent tendencies. Some may have had
actual or perceived traumatic backgrounds that caused embitterment. Some grow up in conditions where either harsh Darwinist living and/or casual human rights violations are the norm of societal conditions.

The thing is that anybody with violent intentions can twist an ideology to justify their violence. Its clear in passages of the Bible and Koran that both were used during antiquity as tools for conquest and oppression. The cure for this is compassion and understanding in order to separate those who want peace from those who are violent. The problem is that you support Trump, who does the opposite of this by dehumanizing the entire "horrid" religion of Islam and then funding the violence with $118 billion.

Also, you ignore the embitterment that Muslims obviously have considering we're continuing to wage violence in their countries. What do you think happens to the children and loved ones of innocents who die in U.S. airstrikes? Radical warlords and terrorists use religion as a tool of power to promise revenge for these traumatized people, who in turn use religion as a tool for their embitterment. How do you think Ayatollah Khoemini overthrew Iran. He used Islam as a tool of power to brainwash those embittered by the atrocities of the Shah. This is how all violent ideologies thrive. Gangs use this method, using the ideology of gang identity rather than religion as a tool of power to brainwash those embittered by poverty. Hitler used this method to rule Nazi Germany. Buddhists are becoming terrorists. As Phillip Zambardo stated, the cause of evil comes from a mix of dispositional, situational, and systemic conditions.

You want to stop the effect of Islamic terror but you refuse to see the complex cause, ignoring it and going with the false but more simplistic belief that the entire religion is inherently evil. If you did see the complex cause, you would become pissed not at the Islamic religion (whose peaceful practioners are constantly marching against, fighting, and being attacked by terrorists and human rights violating regimes) but at the people funding the radicals who use Islam as a tool of oppression and terrorism, AKA Trump (the guy you voted for) giving billions to the most powerful radical Islamic state on the planet (whose terrorists committed 9/11, the ultimate Islamic terror attack) despite his Islamophobic scaremongering (which has scared his dumbass supporters into viewing the entire religion as "horrid", meaning that they're cowards whom the terrorists managed to successfully terrorize) which creates Anti-Western embitterment that allows radicals to keep recruiting and a distrust of secular values, which keeps the religion from progressing.

Its horrifically devious how ignorant Islamic radicals are funded and wise moderates (such as the thousands who marched against ISIS just recently, or the imam, whose "horrid religion", caused him to protect Osborne during his arrest) are silenced. Both the warlords and dictators of third world countries that primarily produce and the greedy plutocratic politicians of first world countries that primarily consume are able to profit from the needless competitive tribalism, no matter the cost of the lives and livelihoods of the millions of innocent victims, as the fear is used to spread ignorance in order to demand unquestioning blind loyalty and obedience from their constituencies. The Saudis, ISIS, and Trump are clearly doing this, and yet you chose to ignore it.

And while you can argue that all prior presidents did this, the argument for Trump's candidacy was that he was unlike any of the past president due to his inexperience (aka INCOMPETENCE) with politics and his wealth meaning he wouldn't have a need to be a plutocratic politician and would take the right steps to stop radical Islam. These arguments turned out to be absolute bullshit. And yet you fail to hold either him or yourself accountable for buying his bullshit, which makes you look like the ultimate foolish pawn.

So quite simply, Surt, every time you attack Islam as "horrid", yet don't attack Trump even harder, you show a, well, deplorable amount of hypocrisy and ignorance.

And Again, if you think it's just Islam that incites violence, look at this attack. Any ideology can become "horrid" if the person wants it to be. If you want to stop future attacks like the Finsbury Park attack, you need to understand this.
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Surt just got caked and baked. Too bad he won't learn anything. sad


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Surt just got caked and baked. Too bad he won't learn anything. sad
Thing is the Alt-right guys on here, keep getting caked and baked. They never learn, none of them. I don't think they even really get how abhorrent what they support is Beni.

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The problem Surt is your hypocrisy/ignorance.


Pot, kettle, black.

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If you truly cared about stopping Islamic terror, you would realize that Islamic terror, just like all other terror attacks, gang attacks, racism, and pretty much all atrocties throughout history, including this one, is not caused by any inherent concepts of ideologies, but rather a mixture of PERSONAL embitterment and/or SUBJECTIVE INTERPRETATION of the ideology by the practitioner. Some violent people just have violent tendencies. Some may have had
actual or perceived traumatic backgrounds that caused embitterment. Some grow up in conditions where either harsh Darwinist living and/or casual human rights violations are the norm of societal conditions.


I'm sorry, but no. These attacks are NOT like other attacks. Look at the way they are treated by everyone. Nobody is afraid to say it's a gang banger when a gang banger shoots someone. So I find most of what you just said to be wrong

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The thing is that anybody with violent intentions can twist an ideology to justify their violence. Its clear in passages of the Bible and Koran that both were used during antiquity as tools for conquest and oppression. The cure for this is compassion and understanding in order to separate those who want peace from those who are violent. The problem is that you support Trump, who does the opposite of this by dehumanizing the entire "horrid" religion of Islam and then funding the violence with $118 billion.


Okay just stop. Stop acting like people are saying Muslims are the only ones who commit acts of violence. Nobody does. Stop bringing up the bible, people aren't currently using it to blow themselves and other people up. It makes you look silly every time you bring up Christianity in comparison to Islamic terrorism.

Then this stupid stuff about the $118 billion deal which was started by the Obama administration and something I said I don't even agree with. I don't have to agree with everything Trump says.

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Also, you ignore the embitterment that Muslims obviously have considering we're continuing to wage violence in their countries. What do you think happens to the children and loved ones of innocents who die in U.S. airstrikes? Radical warlords and terrorists use religion as a tool of power to promise revenge for these traumatized people, who in turn use religion as a tool for their embitterment. How do you think Ayatollah Khoemini overthrew Iran. He used Islam as a tool of power to brainwash those embittered by the atrocities of the Shah. This is how all violent ideologies thrive. Gangs use this method, using the ideology of gang identity rather than religion as a tool of power to brainwash those embittered by poverty. Hitler used this method to rule Nazi Germany. Buddhists are becoming terrorists. As Phillip Zambardo stated, the cause of evil comes from a mix of dispositional, situational, and systemic conditions.


Nobody ignores it, they just do not see it as remotely coming close to a justification for strapping bombs to children.

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You want to stop the effect of Islamic terror but you refuse to see the complex cause, ignoring it and going with the false but more simplistic belief that the entire religion is inherently evil. If you did see the complex cause, you would become pissed not at the Islamic religion (whose peaceful practioners are constantly marching against, fighting, and being attacked by terrorists and human rights violating regimes) but at the people funding the radicals who use Islam as a tool of oppression and terrorism, AKA Trump (the guy you voted for) giving billions to the most powerful radical Islamic state on the planet (whose terrorists committed 9/11, the ultimate Islamic terror attack) despite his Islamophobic scaremongering (which has scared his dumbass supporters into viewing the entire religion as "horrid", meaning that they're cowards whom the terrorists managed to successfully terrorize) which creates Anti-Western embitterment that allows radicals to keep recruiting and a distrust of secular values, which keeps the religion from progressing.


You refuse to see the impact Islam has on this. You're blind to it. Stop with the "it's a complex issue" nonsense. There are multiple factors, but Islam is at the root of this stuff and there isn't anything truly complex about that and you can't even admit it. That is the issue, that is why this is not the same as some gang banger. You keep proving my point with you responses.

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Its horrifically devious how ignorant Islamic radicals are funded and wise moderates (such as the thousands who marched against ISIS just recently, or the imam, whose "horrid religion", caused him to protect Osborne during his arrest) are silenced. Both the warlords and dictators of third world countries that primarily produce and the greedy plutocratic politicians of first world countries that primarily consume are able to profit from the needless competitive tribalism, no matter the cost of the lives and livelihoods of the millions of innocent victims, as the fear is used to spread ignorance in order to demand unquestioning blind loyalty and obedience from their constituencies. The Saudis, ISIS, and Trump are clearly doing this, and yet you chose to ignore it.


I said I didn't agree with the deal, but you're using it to deflect from the topic. This isn't about Trump. We can talk about it if you truly want, but it has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

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And while you can argue that all prior presidents did this, the argument for Trump's candidacy was that he was unlike any of the past president due to his inexperience (aka INCOMPETENCE) with politics and his wealth meaning he wouldn't have a need to be a plutocratic politician and would take the right steps to stop radical Islam. These arguments turned out to be absolute bullshit. And yet you fail to hold either him or yourself accountable for buying his bullshit, which makes you look like the ultimate foolish pawn.


Er, even if the argument was bullshit it doesn't change the fact other presidents did it, nor does it make it somehow worse. But okay Trump lied, that's a bad thing to do.

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So quite simply, Surt, every time you attack Islam as "horrid", yet don't attack Trump even harder, you show a, well, deplorable amount of hypocrisy and ignorance.


So every time I denounce a terror attack I have to throw in a quip about Trump as well? How little faith you must have in your arguments if you need to resort to that.

Especially with your own hypocrisy here, it's mind boggling to see you type out a novel about someone else's ignorance. I'm sorry, but you are the type of person that worries me. The type who tries to ignore the elephant in the room with the huge bomb strapped to it's back.

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And Again, if you think it's just Islam that incites violence, look at this attack. Any ideology can become "horrid" if the person wants it to be. If you want to stop future attacks like the Finsbury Park attack, you need to understand this.


Okay so more BS, again: do you have so little faith in your argument you resort to this? Because nobody said only Islam incites violence lol. Not a single person. It's getting talked about because currently we are seeing a lot of terror attacks from Muslims.

I mean you and I have literally had discussions in the past about gang violence, and all that. Discussions where you said rap music incited violence. I disagreed and cited other factors I think incite gang violence. We could not have had that conversation if I thought only Islam incited violence. So again: why the BS? Don't say shit you know isn't true.


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Thing is the Alt-right guys on here, keep getting caked and baked. They never learn, none of them. I don't think they even really get how abhorrent what they support is Beni.


Lol okay Steve I'm going to explain something to you. I know you are the resident cheerleader now, but just because you come in and say "you were caked and baked" does not really mean anything.

It's almost like a person throwing out accusations of racism or sexism in an attempt to end a conversation.


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Thing is the Alt-right guys on here, keep getting caked and baked. They never learn, none of them. I don't think they even really get how abhorrent what they support is Beni.


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Instead of being a vitriol spitting hypocrite, Surt. What don't you really read what Lestov tried to imbue onto you and change yourself for the better.


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Instead of being a vitriol spitting hypocrite, Surt. What don't you really read what Lestov tried to imbue onto you and change yourself for the better.


Lol dude it worries me if you think Lestov just dropped a bunch of wisdom. He didn't. You straight up ignored some of the bullshit, I don't know why, but okay.

Also you calling others hypocrites is also highly comical.

EDIT: Oh the page turned, was it planned?!


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