An omnipotent doesn't adhere to mans perceptions all, and isn't limited to the confines of reality, especially a reality it created. If it LOWERED itself to the rules of reality to have an attribute of strength or even form at all, perhaps the paradox holds true. Until then, it does not.
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If I went up to God himself and he told me I could ask one question, and no matter what I asked of him, he would accomplish or answer it with a yes or no.
And i preceded to ask him that very same question...... Figuratively speaking, since it is a paradox, it's impossible to achieve/answer "correctly".
So logically speaking this would prove against "true" omnipotence.
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Juntai you're obviously lost here
I was lost ?where has this thread gone to?i watched and wanted to learn somthing and all i see is meanigless debates on Omnipotence
i thought the thread starter was trying to see who is greater,and this topic is going where?,looking back on what i said where was i lost,i was throwing ideas out about what the thread starter asked,why not start a new thread about Omnipotence? i backed out of the thread to see where it was going and because i usually respect your view
It is still my view that they were supreme and above TOAA and The Presence
DC and Marvel can write what they want
If they want LT to rebel against TOAA in a story, i am sure the comic wont end in one panel, its up to the writers and staff,it might be pis,or cis,but its there right to do so
Just trying to be fair and open minded, i hope i can expect the same from most posters i respect
The thread has gone where it's posters have taken it, as it always does. However what I said to you still stands. I didn't mean it in any degrading way. I was simply outright telling you it was wrong, and reasons why. Others pointed it out too, and also agreed with what I said there.
Spectre could not do to The Presence what it did to the Brother.
No amount of Spectre's power could affect God against it's will.
Judging by what Spectre narrated in issue 27 of volume 4, God could simply 'undream' him, and everything for that matter.
If the brothers were above that, LT and Spectre would have been as nothing, let alone forcibly merging them into one.
I don't know how many different ways I can put it.
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lol mabey you should start a thredd called "ask juntai"
and you can let all of us know weather or not our opinoins are valid and up to your standards.
why even debate any more ? no need for discution just ask juntai
No I can't, then again, I'm not the one trying attribute physical laws or limits to it.
It is the task, and the answer.
Think about that.
The paradox of the question is in that it is limiting from the onset. I understand that the question itself is a paradox of sorts. However, it is still grounded in man's perception.
I was attempting to answer, by showing you that a true omnipotent doesn't adhere these concepts or rules, so the paradox doesn't apply to it. If the omnipotent steps into the confines OF the rules, then it is already limited, and we're not speaking of the omnipotent being at all, but the one we've applied our rules to..
"Can God create something he cannot lift?"
If God had strength, he already limited himself to something human perception can percieve and understand.
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Well most omnipotents in comics do adhere to the perceptions of the writers and artists, readers and even the other characters in the story... and many of them can probably be beat up by Superman.
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How can i be wrong?
If Marvel made a comic with LT going against TOAA's Will.would LT be depowered in one panel and the comic ends?maybe he does get depowered and goes and gets an item or powersource and tries to interfere with TOAA will
The premise is that canon or not the companies can do anything they want,we have seen pis,cis,and down right stupid things, but i am talking about Marvel vs DC i am not saying its right to do,but can it be done?
Your spectre analogy is absolutley wrong, if the writers do it,you can say its pis or cis,but they can do it if they want to,unless your really the editor for Spectre and make the final call when a writer submits his story
I like you juntai and respect your views,but this seems like closed minded thinking
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