No, either Yoda or Sidious would have to be second for Windu to be third. The directer was talking about level in power; not Yoda, Sidious, and Mace equaling three people.
No! I win.
Fine.
Thanks.
That was not my only arguement.
Are you serious? He only was a director of a canon series. Nothing he said contradicted anything GL said.
Prove the writer who wrote DR has canon authority, because i just don't believe Dooku tooled Ventress.
I also called you out, and told you to prove the director was refering to jedi only.
I know.
Already did. Also if you read the entire thread you would have seen it.
If you take Yoda literaly, than you must believe Dooku is more powerful than Yoda. No?
The outcome of a single battle is not enough to rank the participants. Anakin was better than Obi-Wan; faster, stronger, more powerful. He still lost. This is why I pointed you to Mace Windu; the fact that neither Yoda nor Sidious could beat down the other does not necessarily make them equals.
We've been over it. I will not repeat myself again.
I already said that.
Why does everything have to be spelled out for you? If Mace was "number two" out of everybody, he would be more powerful than Sidious.
Context matters.
You didn't address the point. Do so in your next post or drop it; the purposeful brushing aside of everything I say will not be tolerated.
Prove. That. He. Has. Canon. Authority. Working on Star Wars doesn't give someone authority over canon outside their in-universe material.
The "author" doesn't. The omniscient narrator in the novel does. There's a difference between statements made in actual SW literature and comments made in person.
Well, since you repel logic, I asked you to provide the context for the supposed quote. I want the whole thing.
That you're an imbecile?
Link me to it. I've never heard it before, and you've given me no reason to trust you.
So who was stronger Yoda or Sidious? They both stalemated during their force battle, so they must be pretty much equals. You can't say either of them was stronger than the other.
Ok so i should only take your word for it.
So you are saying since there are two number ones, there can not be a two.
Besides like i said. How can they rate Sidious? We didn't know how powerful he was. He could have been weaker than Mace for all we know.
Your first arguement was the director was only refering to jedi. You couldn't prove that claim, so now you are saying the director was wrong.
So the director is wrong, unless he inserts the comment in the story?
Lightsnake once gave a source about one of the writers of a SW comics being asked who is the most powerful sith, and the writers reply was: "Palpatine at his peak".
Why didn't you tell Lightsnake he was wrong?
Well you are going to have to buy the CW cartoon dvd, and listen to the commentary.
I hope you don't go around insulting people who disagrees with you in public, because where i am from you would likely get your face smashed.
Again, you have to listen to the commentary.
Didn't think so.
There you go with your insults. Good thing we are just over a computer.
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Just because your default pic is joker, does not mean you are funny. But if it makes you feel good to imagine you are funny, and people on the other side of the computer are laughing, then you keep doing so. As for me i am putting you on ignore. To me you are not funny. You are an annoying little pest, that has a sarcastic comment for everything. I will admitt at first i thought you were a bit funny, but now you are old and boring and unfunny. You never even try to make points. You are only here to be a clown, and be silly.
For you own sake.... GROW TFU.
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
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Yes. If two people tie for first, then the next person is third.
He isn't weaker than Mace, as the RotS novelization proves. As for his power level, Gideon or LS can show you definitively just how powerful Palpatine is. I see no reason to go through this (again) when I have neither the source material nor the eloquence to fully describe Darth Sidious.
The director was only referring to Jedi. He was also wrong. Nothing he says out of universe is canon anyway. I'm pretty sure that this is a non-issue.
The director's remarks are not considered canon unless they occur within the story he tells. So yes, he is wrong unless he inserts the comment in the story.
I don't know the context- and besides, how is this relevant to our argument. If you are trying to look smarter or gain some of LS's reputation by association, I'd suggest you try another tactic. This only shows your desperation.
So you refuse to verify your source material. This means that it is thrown out. Your argument is now without any semblence of factual support, so feel free to concede the point.
Ah, the ol' "N RL I CUD KIK UR BUT SO SHUT UP CUZ IM FROM DA HOOD AND I GROED UP IN DA STREETS AN IM SO HARD I CUD BEAT UR ASS AND IM GONNA KILL YOU,,," For the love of yahwe, please don't turn into BOOG. I'd hate to clutter my ignore list further.
Your attempts at trash talk are truly getting more pathetic as time goes on. You should ask Gideon for lessons. Or maybe Nai. He's entertaining sometimes.
Red Nemesis is correct, when two people are tied for the number one spot the next person is ranked in third, hell videogames such as Halo 3 can and do get this right.
The author would be Kevin J. Anderson who is responsible for the Jedi Academy trilogy and the Tales of the Jedi comic series. There is a key difference between LS using Anderson's opinion vs what you are doing with cw director. The difference is that LS was using Anderson's opinion (since he basically created Exar Kun and maybe Naga Sadow as well as Marka Ragnos) to support his argument which included other feats and quotes about Sidious being the most powerful sith (over the likes of the above mention sith) in old debates. But here you haven't shown much to support the director's opinion and it makes up a very large part of your argument while LS could still win a debate without mentioning Anderson's opinion. See the difference?
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You would have to read the entire arguement. I am not going to explain it.
So there is no number 2?
You are not following. The time the director made the comment, the novelization was not even out yet, so they could not rate Sidious on a power level, without knowing about him.
So the director is wrong, and you guys are right? I am gonna go by the directors opinion, before i go by anyone on KMC, because the director worked with GL, and had conversations with him.
I can see if the director says that was his opinion, but he didn't. How do you guys know that what the director said is not canon?
It is relevant, because i am wondering why don't anyone start an arguement with him when he quotes an out of universe comment, but they start arguing with me when i do?
If you read this Lightsnake, i am not trying to bring you in this.
Did you want me to mail you the dvd, and play it for you. I verified the source more than once. Are you arguing just to argue.
When did i say that? It is a fact. You don't call people names, or insult them when they don't agree, because chances are you will get beat-up.
I never grew up in the streets. I have the best parents anyone can ask for, who would never allow me to be raised in the streets. I did however grow up around a violent area, where there is nothing to do, so they make fighting a sport. They find any reason to fight, and calling them imbeciles, retards, and morons would make an ideal reason. I am not all for it, but i do believe if someone asks for it let them have it. Do not confuse me for a saggy pants gangster, because that im not.
Does Gideon know you have an obsession with him? I mean seriously, you bring his name up quite a bit.
I am not trying to have a trash talk competition over a SW debate. It is funny you talk about pathetic. You can not even come up with your own lines, so you quote Gideon's.
Please do not reply back. All you know how to do is disrespect me.
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Edit: Wow you guys. I feel like a jerk. Should I do something about it? Maybe Gideon's mom will know...
I read it. My question was an attempt to get you to explain why it advanced your position. If you are unable to do so then I can simply chalk up another point for Faunus. I was trying to give you another chance to clarify your points, something anyone and everyone should jump at.
You obviously place a lot of pride in your ability to pay atention to the argument, so do so here:
This is just wrong. The creators of SW literature do not read it, nor do they have the continuity memorized to the same degree as their fans. Heck, even Drew Kapshi... (something) who wrote the Darth Bane novels made many mistakes (he said that a student used Vaapad.) There are plot holes in the mythos, primarily caused by ignorance of SW history. (In universe history)
In the specific case of the director, while he was making the movie he didn't need an outside source to rate Palpatine's power- he got to decide it. Did Drew K... have an outside source to rate Bane's power? No. They were in the process of creating canon- not applying it as we do here.
In this specific case of the Director commentary I think you have 3 misconceptions:
1. That it is canon- it is not. Nothing a creator says out of universe counts as canon unless that creator is GL.
2. That the director didn't know what he was talking about- he should know better than anyone because he helped to place Sidious's power in the first place. No matter how much he knew, however, it is not canon. It can be used to illustrate a point, but can not be used as the crux of an argument.
3. I was wrong. There were only two misconceptions. Here's the bottom line:
What the director said was not[/i] canon.
He probably didn't read/own/experience the massive starwars phenomenon that is Lightsnake's net worth, or Gideon's immense array of sources. They are probably better informed (in universe) than GL. (Of course, he just re-writes canon to fit his words. Like me, he has retroactive infallibility.)
Because
a). He is not George Lucas.
and
b). he was not speaking through an "in universe" source. Once he's out of the role of author/storyteller, his word means no more (and probably less) than mine.
Because LS didn't hinge his entire argument on one non-canon source.
I hope that if you mailed it you wouldn't have to play it for me. I passed Life- how not to go full retard class last year. I know that DVDs go in the toaster- I mean player.
In all seriousness, I don't care about what the director of a cartoon says outside of his show, which sux anyway.
On-line that is not an issue. This is the age of anonymous interpersonal communication my friend. Get used to it. Besides, do you care what someone named Faunus thinks about you? You clearly don't care what I think about you, or else you wouldn't have continued the ridiculous assertion that Vader > N's TK so long.
I'm still bitter about a dumbass named BOOG. He went full-retard, and I fear the same for you. Your fall might result in a Taven/Nebaris style death though. I don't think you'll end up replacing periods with triplicated commas.
Gideon is able to make this point far better than I. Why should I try to do something that will be done better, faster and more efficiently by him. Also, Gideon is a good enough kid. His mom loves me, so the least I can do is be nice to her kid.
It is funny you talk about pathetic. You are losing to a supernerd. Either lose the act like you're too good to be here, (you aren't: you've already been contaminated) and raise your game, or go away. No one wants to listen to a 12 year old kid whine about how someone is mean to him online.
You're retarded. Your arguments have all the subtlety of the fat kindergartner who eats glue. Quit whining. If you can't handle critcism of your arguments (which are dumb) and care enough about my opinion (I promise you that we'll never meet) to cry about what I say then either get off, get better, or don't argue with me.
'kay Nancy?
Wow you are such a hypocrite. You say i am a whiny kid for getting irritated over childish insults, when you just admitted you were still bitter about Boog. Trash talking over a computer only proves how much of a coward you are. You admitt you talk trash over acomputer, because getting beat up is not an issue. Sorry if i mistaken kids with civilized grown-ups. You dare have the nerve to say anything about boog. How are you any better? You both act like childish brats, except you have better grammar and spelling than he does(different writing skills- same child act). Then you have the nerve to threaten to put me on ignore. Are you trying to make me loose sleep? You are an idiot. What points have you made in Dooku's favor? None. You can't even be original with humor. You try to mimic Gideon.
And yes i do believe Vader's skill in TK is greater than Nihilus's. I believe Mace and Dooku are on par with the force, or Mace is a bit more powerful. I believe taking out thousands of droids, and a huge siesmic tank that is crushing crateres on the planet, all in five minute, is more impressive than anything Dooku has done.
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
You are worse than BOOG. Ivalice implied that he was here as a troll or a joke. You honestly think that what we say here matters. Your loneliness saddens me.
I am not angry about what he said to me, I was irritated by his blatant stupidity, as I am by yours. I hold people to the highest standard, my standard, at all times. That you can't live up to them does not surprise me, but I am disappointed that your best effort was such a weak showing.
I "trash talk" because nothing we say here matters. The people on here aren't even entirely real. The fundamental characteristic of our generation is the ability to communicate with everyone. The sheer magnitude dehumanizes the masses. You had the chance to earn my respect, but you have proved that you are an idiot. You will be on ignore, although I will probably read your next few responses to see if you are just faking stupidity.
First off, lets not say things we can't take back. But really- do you expect reasoned discourse when your last 3 pages worth (cumulative) of responses all contain such nuggets as "take your pill and calm yourself." and "stop being retarded" and "calm your nerves" (that one especially) and "coming from someone who keeps repeating his arguments," not to mention:
I mean, seriously. What the hell was that? Did you think that it made you look smart? Did it make you feel better to launch a sophomoric (and pathetic) attack at someone who is (clearly) more intelligent than you? What did this accomplish for you?
Don't try to convince us that you haven't ever "trash talked" just 'cause you can't handle the response you got.
If this counts as a threat then you clearly value my opinion of your intellect, which is at an all time low. If it is enough to change your behavior then the problem will be solved, but I refuse to be greeted with ignorance guarded by stupidity that has outlived its humorous potential. You are no longer even worth laughing at. I'm done.
I don't know if you noticed, but I wasn't taking part in this discussion. My posts have been aimed at pointing out inaccuracies or misunderstandings in your own. I haven't the foggiest idea of who is being debated, but I know simply by reading your arguments that your position is the weaker one.
How have I mimicked his humor? I have said that I'll allow him to explain a point for me, but I don't think I've copied his style of posts. Again- this was just another desperate distraction in an attempt to create a smokescreen in front of your own inadequacies.
You are wrong.
Dooku was better educated and more skillful in its use. So again, you're wrong.
In this whole whine fest you have made exactly two (2) assertions. Neither is supported by facts, although you did use quotes to explain your reasoning for the second. Congrats on a 100% fail average.
What i say must matter to you, for you to put me on ignore.
Do you not see how hypocritacle you sound? First you say what is said here shouldn't matter, but then you admitt what people say on here irritate you. If what people say on here does not matter it shouldn't irritate you.
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So why all the irritation?
Now i am definately going to loose sleep.
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He asked for the insults, by insulting me first. I am all for a civilized debate, but if you call me out of my name, then expect the same from me.
He has more skill at sarcasm ill admitt.
Do you consider yourself intelligent by making out retarded "scientific explanations" which were flawed. Lol lifting a cardboard box is harder than crushing a tin can.
I don't trash talk over characters who don't exist, unless people start to trash talk me. That i honestly can say.
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I was being sarcastic. I don't count it as a threat at all. However, you must, or else you wouldn't keep repeating it, like i am suppose to feel threatened by it.
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So you basically came to this thread to seek me out, and try to correct me. Wow... I feel cyber-stalked.
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Except you didn't allow him to explain your point. You repeatedly use his lines and humor.
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That you still have not proved.
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You are making a claim without backing it up.
You just made an assertion regarding Dooku being more skillful than Windu, without any proof. Wow your hypocracy amazes me.
Lol! This coming from the guy who put me on Ignore.
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Sidious, how about you master the bold and quote function before you indulge yourself in egocentric, pretentious rambling?
You're not great. I am. I decide who is important around here and annoying people to the point that they put you on ignore isn't a sign of superiority.
I can tell by the many comments you make you think you are great. KMC is probably the only place you get a lot of attention to the point that you consider yourself great.
Wow Gideon is so great he gets to decide who is important on KMC forums.
You take these SW forums so seriously, that it probably has a major impact on your pathetic life. Seriously, any one who talks about how great they are on a forum site needs help.
I will admitt i am a Sidious fan.... a big fan. You on the other hand try to show that you are not so much of a fan, when really you are, even to the point to where you think of yourself as a Palpatine to the KMC.
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