The proof backs up that berserk Frank can keep up with messed up Deadpool. imo not the best case to compare their speed, and certanly not a proof that Frank is too fast for Deadpool like Trackz suggested.
I can show a dozen examples. You're right he doesnt use them all the time but they're still a part of his standart equipment, so it's safe to assume he'd use them, especially in a forum fight. And now that he knows that flamethrower wont work. (not that he's ever used a flamethrower to that point)
Charging headfirst at a stronger opponent while pointing a gun at him instead of just pulling the trigger. That's unlike him, he's crazy. Not dumb. Cant think of any other time he's ever done anything like that, I blame PIS for him losing all the weapons in the first second of the fight.
Why would I even do that? It wont make me feel better because even if Frank was slowed down Deadpool was effed up as well, so all it would prove - Frank can keep up with Deadpool when they're both effed up. So I have no reason to pretend that Frank's speed was normal, since it in no way would downplay Deadpool's speed seeing how he was far from ok himself. I just say what I see, and I see Frank displaying impressive speed (impressive even compared to the other Frankencastle speed feats) and I see him being more or less in his right mind, even making several jokes until the very last panel. That's why I say the writer ignored it.
Agreed.
Let me explain myself again.
You said - slowed down Frank can keep up with some OTHER characters that are as fast as Deadpool so he can keep up with Deadpool. So basically you used the A>B>C logic. Im not complaining about it im using it here as well. I said - slowed down Deadpool was shown to be too fast for people with speed level above Frank's top speed, let alone slowed down Frank. Both are the examples of A>B>C logic and both work in this case, so you cant just go by your example and ignore mine, because if you go by yours itd controdict Deadpool's previous showings and downplay his speed a lot. See what I mean?
No that's what you are saying. I do not ignore Frank's feats, i simply see an issue here. Its a matter of view. You look at Frank's feats and going by them alone instantly assume that he should be able to keep up with Deadpool because he did it with others while not taking into account Deadpool's own feats that suggest that slowed down Frank should not be able to do that seeing how others with better speed couldnt.
Also Id agree that it was a low showing for Taskmaster but it can be called that if it happened once. But Deadpool's taken Taskmaster out few times. Even Deadpool's clone who is < Deadpool easilly beat Taskmaster several times without much trouble even while being in a terrible condition.
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Sorry, but you're wrong and just making an assumption. Deadpool wasnt healed when he grabbed the chainsaw, he was complaining thoughout the fight and this is a guy who doesnt complain about a sword being shoved through his heart, yet he wouldnt stop complaining about the pills which suggests that he was really REALLY sick. And if you believe that Frank is faster than Deadpool we could compare speed feats, you would instantly change your mind.
Also your summery of the fight seems a bit wrong. For one thing Deadpool was far from ok, while Frank wasnt dumb/slow/braindead he was making puns during the fight and moving faster than in most of his other appearance as Frankencastle. And the weirdest thing here is - Messed up Deadpool already defeated berserk Frankencastle in a comicbook whith just two swords and without even using most of his lethal equipment that he normally has on him 24/7. And YET im forced to argue that Deadpool while being at 100% and with ALL his equipment wont LOSE the majority against Frank? How is that fair? Notice im not even saying that he'd win, just that he wont lose the majority.
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Bloodstone’s Bloodgem fragment granted him superhuman stamina, agility, senses, and vast regenerative powers, enabling him to regenerate from virtually any injury up to the dispersion of a vital portion of his bodily molecules (some sources claim he could regenerate if a single cell survived). He was immune to aging and conventional diseases and did not require air, food, or water. Removal of the Bloodgem proved to be rapidly fatal. Bloodstone possessed an invisible "third eye" on his forehead, granting him extrasensory perception, enabling him to see human auras (and thus see people in the dark) and mentally access astral planes. He had limited telekinetic powers and could also enter suspended animation.
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he was complaining because he was losing, wasn't he whining against hit-monkey because he didn't want to get shot? or something along those lines. Deadpool's perception of pain changes a lot depending on the mood. A braindead frankencastle was taking on hi-tech samurai's, when he goes braindead and can no longer rely on his speed, he uses his brute force as we see him do in this fight. Deadpool wasn't complaining about the pills, he mentioned them again once briefly right after he healed enough for his voice to come back. I'll admit that there is the possibility that he was still effected even after his voices came back, i just don't see it like that since the pills had the effect of taking his voices away, i saw it more as his other voices scolding him for using the pills.
Deadpool didn't defeat frankencastle though, frank went braindead after he'd been off his pills too long. maybe youd notice that despite deadpool having two swords, there's a lack of any type of cut or slash on franks person. not only that a stab anywhere thus far has yet to take out frank (he's been stabbed through the chest, buzz sawed through the chest, pierced through the neck, etc. and kept fighting. So you're theory that deadpool defeated him with the swords is highly unlikely. All we see is that punisher is close to braindead while fighting deadpool, next thign we see he's on the floor mouth agape, and on receptiong of his pills he automatically comes back to life. THe pills don't heal him at all, they just bring his brain back.
I'm not tryign to downplay deadpool at all, but frankencastle was upgraded in order to take on all of these challenges, he's on another level especially not that he has the bloodstone.
Deadpool may be faster than a braindead frank but not enough to make a difference, from there on panel fight we now know:
that wade isn't fast enough to be running circles around frank.
that frank is several times stronger
that most of wade's equipment will have little to no effect
we also know:
that frank still has access to similar tech to that of his previous arcs (very high-tech weaponry)
that frank has just received a large boost in power
all other arguments aside it's not disrespecting deadpool at all to realize that he doesn't take he majority against frank in a forum fight.
Nice. Daken is f#$%#d. Also if that's what Frank can currently do, I give him 10/10 over Deadpool, no matter what equipment Wade has on him...
He wasn't complaining because he was losing he was complaining that: "You dont look so well, was it something you ate?", complained that he might "get murdered" as a side effect" of eating those pills, that "I don't feel well, what's IN those pills?". He was complaining throughout the whole fight that he felt bad. And later Morbius confirmed that Deadpool when ate the pills got "VERY sick". So yeah, he was eFFed up. And Hit-monkey is a different story, Spider-man made him promise that he wont shoot/kill/stab Hit-Monkey while HM was gunning after him, that's why he had the problem with it. And he kept the promise until the very last page. And wasnt really complaining about the pain when he got shot, only that he was "scared" to fight the HM which was for the lols.
Its not my theory, its what we got in the book. Sorry, but you're speculating. Deadpool ate the pills and got tossed around for a while, then we see berserker Frank CHARGE at Deadpool and the next thing we see - Frank pinned to a table by Deadpool's swords. Frank was clearly capable of fighting, he was charging at Deadpool and tossing the monsters around like ragdolls. And what do you think happened after he charged at Deadpool? He fainted? I find that unlikely. They did fight and Deadpool did beat him, it just happened off-panel. The writer made that pretty clear imo. Both were not in their best shape, but still...
But his speed wasnt upgraded. I didnt see him do anything Frank couldnt do before the upgrade (i mean speedwise). If anything im pretty sure classic Frank would put up a fight against his upgraded version and do well.
Most of the equipment he NORMALLY uses would have the effect. Its only the weapons he decided to use in the book because of PIS were useless. Machineguns, granades would work. Im talking about pre-upgraded Frankencastle ofcourse. And Deadpool (at 100%) is faster than any Frankencastle, not just braindead. Also why cant he run circles around Frank In an open area? If he doesnt wont to get tagged or engage in close quarters comabt he could run circles around him all day really. Firstly, he can outrace cars on foot. Secondly, he can easilly just leap over Frank every time he attacks - Deadpool can get on a rooftop in one leap. Not to mention his dodging feats and the teleporter. And I just dont see how one can look at all his speed feats, of him running circles around groups of characters (that had several chars faster than Frank at his peak, let alone braindead) but wont be able to avoid Frank if he chooses to do so. The only advantage FC has here is strength. And Deadpool eating those pills wont happen in a forum fight.
Current Frank is a diferent story, we started debating before the upgrade. Have no problem with him taking the majority now. But not before.
Never said that Deadpool takes the majority. Only that he wont lose the majority. And that's not disrespecting Frankencastle. Pre-upgraded I mean.
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everything deadpool does is for laughs, thats how he currently operates. I saw his voices making fun of him, the next thing they said was a joke about trying to use a chainsaw, the only effect the pills really had was cleared his head which made him woozy, after he healed they dont complain.
all deadpool had were swords left, can you logically thin of a way he could have knocked out frank with swords? with no marks to the body? no. what the likely case is, is that he went braindead from not using his pills. we know this because the pills bring him back. all the pills do are get his brain in order, they don't heal him in any sort of way, so if we know he got up right after being fed the pills we know he fainted because he needed his dosage.
deadpool clearly shows that he doesn't have the ability to run circles around frank, every time he tried to attack frank he would get countered and hurled across the room.
machine gun shots would do nothing, frank was fighting with a broken spine and a chains going through him.
this is becoming tedious i think we agree to disagree on this fight.
i see the fight as:
old frankencastle: 6/10
current: 8/10
I don't know about TK, but he most likely will be even stronger, more durable and faster. The bloodstone can also be fueled by rage and it was stated if he starts going brain-dead then he could become some sort of juggernaut.
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Hm.. guess I missed your responce. Sorry for the late reply.
His voices do make fun of him sometimes, but several on-panel evidence suggest that he really was sick and throughout the WHOLE fight. Sorry but you're disagreeing with an obvious fact here.
I can think of several ways actually. In that position Frank was completely helpless, Deadpool could've ripped his eyes out for example, finishing him while he's blind would've been easy. And you're again speculating. He didn't faint. He got pinned to the table off-panel after attacking Deadpool. If the writers intended for him to faint they wouldn't have had him charge at Deadpool with max speed while tossing several superhumans aside like ragdolls. They fought, Deadpool took some beating but managed to pin Frank to the table. Nothing wrong with it.
Yes he could, we've been over this, he was sick and in a bad shape, it was mentioned several times throughout the fight. While Frank showed no signs of slowing down. And "running circles" and "charging head first" are two different things, I just dont see what the hell is Frank gonna do if Deadpool chooses to keep his distance, dodge, jump over etc.
Agree to disagree? Suits me. I say it's 50/50 with classic Frankencastle and that's more than fair looking at the result of their fight. As for the upgraded Frankencastle, I'll wait before he shows the full extent of his abilities and wait to see how his second fight with Daken goes to make up my mind.
I definitely give current Frank the win. But it's definitely not "ownage", not until I see him display all his abilities. For now it's just a majority after a good long fight.
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He wasnt exactly pulling his punches either and yet got a few injuries. He won but that wasn't exactly a walk in the park. And it was Daken, not Deadpool. Deadpool knocked Daken out with a single kick the moment Daken stopped using his pheromones even though Wade had no hands and one of his legs was injured at the time. Again, it's NOT ownage. For now there isnt a single reason to believe it is. I may reconcider after I see more from Frank but for now its just a win after a long fight.
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How is that fair? Notice im not even saying that he'd win, just that he wont lose the majority.
