But the antigen that he took was meant to act as a kill switch if you read a particular issue before they ever fought. It was meant as a failsafe or killswitch for when and if the Hulk became too riled up. I do recall reading that, and once again it plays up the idea that in order for us not to see the Hulk unleashed, we see an inserted nerf or situation that calls for him to keep his power levels in check. This is neutral territory, without the PIS attached to it, because you can't sit there and say that it did not affect the Hulk with 100% justifiable certainty. He's been struck by similar force, or worse and remained awake. Arguing the Sun God run in as a clean win is outright sophistry.
All the serum did was enable Banner to control when he becomes the Hulk, so that he didn't just Hulk out when he stubs his toe. That's all.
Nothing about him throttling back MID BATTLE. Which is what carver has always asserted.
Once he's Hulk, he's Hulk. But there were times when the Hulk was not needed...so he could throttle his anger back then.
There was no indication he was any weaker. Carver and others liked to...what, blame the artist error, or engage in mental gymnastics to find some shred of proof that he was weaker. When there wasn't any.
But there is a thread for that, which I created. We can argue it there?
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never saw the genis scans...
and like i said, sure there are some examples, but not NEAR as many as it assumed there is, and, relative to his number of fights, almost no scans where he far exceeds an opponent by the end and just crushes someone....
i'm not really buying the pis/cis excuse for hulk though--dwarfing an opponent in strength just happens too infrequently in the middle of fights for it to be that. i can buy he'll match anyone, and maybe pass them by some small degree, but cintinually get angrier until he just smacks down anyone in a forum fight? i've not seen near enough evidence to support that stance as yet.
i've been looking. the best scans you showed are old ones, and frankly, relative to his fights, there are not very many good examples of what i was asking to see...
wut? you actually challenge this? name the five best wwh feats, i'll name the five best feats of hulk BEFORE the wwh arc and let's see whose feats are better shall we....? i'm game if you are.
by narration sure. by the intent of the plot, sure. but certainly not by feats. it's not even close tbh.
of course he was. by feats savage/incredible>mindless.
never did see scans that show hulk didn't have dynamic strength when thor stalemated him for hours though.
hulk's the strongest--that doesn't mean he auto amps to completely surpass and opponent--especially one who is nearly superman's equal in strength.
What examples do you need for Hulk dominating his opponents via strength amp. Let's put it like this, Hulk got pissed and literally mud stomped Jack of Heart. Hulk got pissed and mud stomps Goom. Hulk got pissed and ripped Onslaught to pieces. Hulk got pissed and punched Cryptoman head clean off. Hulk got pissed and mud stomped an amped Red Hulk. I can go with this all day but I'm trying to figure out which fights you are talking about where Hulk dynamic factor isn't a factor in combat. It usually plays a huge part and in the fights I've named, yes, they were doing good against Hulk in the beginning. If you need scans for any of these fights or if you need me to name more, let me know.
They are good examples.
Savage Hulk has better fts than WBH but no one with any kind of common sense would say Savage is above or even close to equal to Breaker, let alone WWH. You're troooooooo
Hulk dynamic strength wasn't mentioned during that Era against Thor and lol, since you're clinging to that single showing for Thor, I'm sure you'll accept this showing as well, unless you're trooooooooolllllllliiinnnnggggg....
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Posting this scan because this is either a high showing for Ironman or as you are trying to make it, this proves that Ironman and Thor are near equals in strength.
He has too many showings where he completely outclass his opponent in combat for it not to be true (and yes, it's due to his dynamic strength)...
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well, go ahead and show them then.
cool, so we're clear--savage has the better feats than wwh. and savage IS wwh. and wbh. so your comparison is utterly faulty. wbh's feat>savage's best though i think. no hulk ever did what wbh did.
what the hell are you talking about it wasn't mentioned?? define "era" first, but there was no point in time where hulk's strength didn't increase with anger so....no, i utterly don't believe that and you'll need to prove it.
as for thor vs hulk--the stalemate is pretty consistent with the majority of their battles throughout their careers. the fight where hulk beat him w/o hammer caused such a sh!tstorm among thor fans BECAUSE it was the first time hulk was shown clearly superior to thor. the debate raged for DECADES regarding who was the stronger of the 2. one ridiculous ironman/strawman doesn't change that basic marvel fact.
i remain unconvinced regarding my overall premise which has always been this: hulk will not consistently, and greatly, far surpass an opponent during a battle. he will rarely overwhelm an opponent. does it happen? yes. is it a given? no, not at all imo. he's failed to overwhelm juggernaut. failed to overwhelm namor. he looked terrible against ss h2h in the wwh arc. he's never overwhelmed hercules. he certainly didn't overwhelm sentry and forget the void.... will likely post a bunch of fights when i get time that show he doesn't just increase in strength and overwhelm foes. hell, even ben grimm had classic, epic battles with hulk. wasn't until recently the difference was driven home. and hulk did beat rulk--but rulk beat the hell out of hulk too....
all of that points to the fact that the team could def win this battle given how strong and versatile marvel is. i'd still call this a toss-up.
I'll post scans later but I honestly don't think it would matter looking at how you view this character. Sorry, I know what you're doing here but Hulk is still the strongest. Anyways...
We have a clear depiction that WWH>>>>Savage Hulk. You clinging to space cheese fts doesn't change this. Nothing against you Leo but your argument is kinda terrible. You might as well say Grey Hulk is stronger than Odin and no one will have a single showing to counter it. The guy destroyed an asteroid twice the size of Earth and yes, in the same comic it was referenced that strength is the reason it happened. This is the type or arguing you're doing here.
Now if we look at logic and common sense (especially for the people that has read WWH and HOTM) Savage Hulk fought Rulk 3 times and got steam rolled by him on every occasion. Rulk even kills him during one of their fights, choke him to sleep another fight, etc, etc... I'm sure you knew this Leo (giggles). Anyways, WWH/Green Scar shows up and not only treat Rulk like fodder. Rulk absorbs WWH power and still gets taken out with a casual thunder clap. What does this prove Leo? Here is common sense again. Savage Hulk gets worked and killed by Rulk but WWH treats Rulk like fodder. What does 1+1= ?
Also, Savage Hulk has destroyed a Universe, punched through time, over powered an Abstract, shook an infinite of dimensions in a fist fight and he is still a weakling compared to WBH. You can use cheese fts if you want but I'm not. You need to be consistent. If Savage is stronger than WWH based off of cheese fts, he is stronger than Odin, Zeus, Galactus, Darkseid, etc... let's not just limit this to versions of Hulks. Share the wealth Leo.
Like I've said, Hulk dynamic strength wasn't a commonly used ability during that Era and Hulk has always been stronger than Thor. Thor other abilities plus him just being a beast made their fights interesting. I'm sure you have other scans of Thor stalemating Hulk for hours in strength huh? Also, when I say Thor is a beast, he is a beast. Here he stalemate Kurse in a strength lock (in the same comic it was mentioned he was 4 times stronger than Thor).
Thor can hang with people stronger than him. It's what he does but again, using that showing is like me using the Ironman showing as a legit case.
He has consistently shown to overwhelm his opponents. You not being convinced or accepting this changes nothing. I know you're saying all of this because if Hulk trash Cap, he could probably trash Superman. This isn't Superman Leo so you don't have to worry. Hulk stomps.
So you went from Hulk "not having dynamic strength in that era" to Hulk "dynamic strength wasn't commonly used ability during that era". Which is it? I want to see how far you walk this claim back. Plus where's the proof? Abhi is hardly a viable source for proof.
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superman?
are you kidding me....? THAT is the "agenda" you so cleverly sniffed out?
and i love how you say hulk has always been stronger than thor, but say in the same instant thor can hang with anyone.... do you even know the history of the characters?? lol for DECADES it was a question in marvel and asked in comics who was the stronger. recent depictions and your denial don't change that fact in the slightest. it was a question partly because of scenes like this:
so in all those defenders issues he never got stronger?? lol yeah, right.
anyway, given your detective skills and your obvious ability to ferret out agendas, it's not surprising your take on this issue. scans coming when i get the chance,
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Sep 13th, 2016 04:21 AM
Savage Hulk has better fts than WBH but no one with any kind of common sense would say Savage is above or even close to equal to Breaker, let alone WWH. You're troooooooo
