Dar devil and wolverine vs spiderman and nightcralwer
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Spider man and night cralwer
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daredevil and wolverine
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jrodslam
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Metalmanx
Dude. You missed what I meant. Read it again.
In one punch, the faster you punch something, the harder you hit it. Would you dare disagree with this simple concept?
I read what you wrote.
Yes i disagree. In one punch, the harder you hit something, isnt the fastest you throw it.
I can stand and cock my fist all the way back(like im throwing a pitch) to land my strongest hit.
I can stand and throw a punch with ALL my speed and have it not be as strong as the cocked punch.
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Jul 2nd, 2006 07:37 PM
Sparkz
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by jrodslam
I read what you wrote.
Yes i disagree. In one punch, the harder you hit something, isnt the fastest you throw it.
I can stand and cock my fist all the way back(like im throwing a pitch) to land my strongest hit.
I can stand and throw a punch with ALL my speed and have it not be as strong as the cocked punch.
I don't get that, can you simplify that for us dumber people...namely me.
Jul 2nd, 2006 07:39 PM
Metalmanx
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by jrodslam
Again i disagree. Because Daredevil is just peak human, he has to find ways to be more resourceful much more than Spidey does. He relies on technique and smarts.
Age-wise, i think Spidey was in high-school when he got his powers. Is that correct? Matt wasnt in hight-school when he got his. Obviousy comic wise Spidey has been in more fights. However Matt uses his skills much more on a everyday basis.
And I disagree with this. DD fights mostly peak-human opponents. Mostly.
However, even though Spidey is super-powered, 99% of his opponents are also super-powered. That's how Spidey wins, relying on his techniques, honed skills/abilities, and his vast intelligence. So really, I'd say that's more impressive.
Spidey got his powers at 15. Isn't that the same time-period that Matt got his powers?
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Jul 2nd, 2006 07:40 PM
Sparkz
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Metalmanx
And I disagree with this. DD fights mostly peak-human opponents. Mostly.
However, even though Spidey is super-powered, 99% of his opponents are also super-powered. That's how Spidey wins, relying on his techniques, honed skills/abilities, and his vast intelligence. So really, I'd say that's more impressive.
Spidey got his powers at 15. Isn't that the same time-period that Matt got his powers?
DD got them a little younger, but didn't start fighting as DD untill like 5 or 10 years later.
Jul 2nd, 2006 07:41 PM
Metalmanx
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by jrodslam
I read what you wrote.
Yes i disagree. In one punch, the harder you hit something, isnt the fastest you throw it.
I can stand and cock my fist all the way back(like im throwing a pitch) to land my strongest hit.
I can stand and throw a punch with ALL my speed and have it not be as strong as the cocked punch.
You are really trying to twist what I'm saying, aren't you?
Of course if you're just standing there all awkward-like your punch is not gonna be powerful.
Stand and cock your fist all the way back (like you're throwing a pitch) and then punch as fast as you can. That speed = harder punch.
If you do the same thing and punch at half the speed, the damage will be cut in half. Easily.
Come on, man. Work with me here.
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Jul 2nd, 2006 07:46 PM
Metalmanx
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Sparkz
DD got them a little younger, but didn't start fighting as DD untill like 5 or 10 years later.
That's pretty much what I meant. Didn't mean to cause confusion earlier.
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Jul 2nd, 2006 07:46 PM
jrodslam
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Sparkz
I don't get that, can you simplify that for us dumber people...namely me.
If you were to cock you arm back (like you were throwing a pitch) and punch with all your strength, it would be much harder than throwing a punch with all your speed.
Prime examples would be in boxing. You have your jab which is your fastest attack. Then you have your slower more powerful ones such as uppercuts, hooks and haymakers.
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Jul 2nd, 2006 07:55 PM
Sparkz
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by jrodslam
If you were to cock you arm back (like you were throwing a pitch) and punch with all your strength, it would be much harder than throwing a punch with all your speed.
Prime examples would be in boxing. You have your jab which is your fastest attack. Then you have your slower more powerful ones such as uppercuts, hooks and haymakers.
Ah I see, but those punches are still fast.
Jul 2nd, 2006 07:58 PM
jrodslam
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Metalmanx
And I disagree with this. DD fights mostly peak-human opponents. Mostly.
However, even though Spidey is super-powered, 99% of his opponents are also super-powered. That's how Spidey wins, relying on his techniques, honed skills/abilities, and his vast intelligence. So really, I'd say that's more impressive.
Spidey got his powers at 15. Isn't that the same time-period that Matt got his powers?
True DD fights peak humans most of the time. However, he does crossover to the superhuman side and finds ways to hold his own. Some even beat. Keep in mind that DD is only peak human. He cant afford to get hit or he bites the dust. Spidey can get into a slugfest with some of his foes. You say Spidey relies on his techniques, honed skills/abilities, and his vast intelligence. So does DD. Difference is DD cant take too many hits so he has to be extra careful. Id say that more impressive imo.
Those are the same ages roughly, but you have to remember that Matt is about 5-8 years older than Peter.
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Jul 2nd, 2006 08:00 PM
xmarksthespot
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by jrodslam
If you were to cock you arm back (like you were throwing a pitch) and punch with all your strength, it would be much harder than throwing a punch with all your speed.
Prime examples would be in boxing. You have your jab which is your fastest attack. Then you have your slower more powerful ones such as uppercuts, hooks and haymakers.
Newton's Second Law of Motion: Force = mass x acceleration.
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Jul 2nd, 2006 08:01 PM
Metalmanx
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by jrodslam
If you were to cock you arm back (like you were throwing a pitch) and punch with all your strength, it would be much harder than throwing a punch with all your speed.
Prime examples would be in boxing. You have your jab which is your fastest attack. Then you have your slower more powerful ones such as uppercuts, hooks and haymakers.
Again, you're taking my example out of context.
The jab is the fastest-to-hit punch. But I'm not talking about the kind of punch. I'm saying if you were trying to hit something as hard as you could, you punch it as FAST as you can.
I'm applying this to the haymaker for example. If you pull back for a haymaker and then just casually, very slowly punch someone, they may not even feel it. Seriously, picture that in your mind.
Now picture the same haymaker, but throwing it as fast as you can. IT HITS HARDER. Why is this so hard to understand?
Oh, and by the way. The haymakers and hooks are probably even faster (fist-speed-wise) than the jab. The jab just looks faster because it connects quicker than the other punches.
The faster your fist speed, the harder the punch.
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Jul 2nd, 2006 08:02 PM
jrodslam
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Sparkz
Ah I see, but those punches are still fast.
True true. However throwing a punch with all your speed doesnt grant you the same strength as throwing one with all your might. Youll lack the strength for speed and lack the speed for strength.
Plus throwing a bunch of punches with all your might tires you more. Thus it slows you down even moreso.
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Jul 2nd, 2006 08:02 PM
Metalmanx
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Newton's Second Law of Motion: Force = mass x acceleration.
Thanks, xmarks. I don't know my physics equations well enough to accurately apply them here. That's why I depend on you for those, haha.
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Jul 2nd, 2006 08:04 PM
Metalmanx
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by jrodslam
Too bad comic physics really dont apply.
I dont think that applies in punches either. Planes, trains and automobiles yea.
Err...why don't physics applied to punches now?
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Jul 2nd, 2006 08:07 PM
Kid Kurdy
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by jrodslam
What are those scans showing? If you notice in the first scan, Spidey landed the hit on DD, but Daredevil rolled with the hit, so Spidey's hit wasnt effective.
In the fight you posted scans of, Spidey landed 1 hit that DD rolled with and the second hit he landed was beacuse Daredevil LET hit get that one.
Spider-Man was dominating the fight. He underestimated DD, true, but let's be realistic : DD couldn't keep up, he admitted it more than once, and at the end of the fight, he was too tired to even dodge his attack (almost his own words).
Spider-Man could have EASILY killed DD.
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Jul 2nd, 2006 08:07 PM
xmarksthespot
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by jrodslam
Too bad comic physics really dont apply.
I dont think that applies in punches either. Planes, trains and automobiles yea. The past page or so has been trying to compare what boxers do to what would happen in comics. Simple physics of what boxers do? Force = mass x acceleration.
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Jul 2nd, 2006 08:07 PM
jrodslam
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Metalmanx
Again, you're taking my example out of context.
The jab is the fastest-to-hit punch. But I'm not talking about the kind of punch. I'm saying if you were trying to hit something as hard as you could, you punch it as FAST as you can.
I'm applying this to the haymaker for example. If you pull back for a haymaker and then just casually, very slowly punch someone, they may not even feel it. Seriously, picture that in your mind.
Now picture the same haymaker, but throwing it as fast as you can. IT HITS HARDER. Why is this so hard to understand?
Oh, and by the way. The haymakers and hooks are probably even faster (fist-speed-wise) than the jab. The jab just looks faster because it connects quicker than the other punches.
The faster your fist speed, the harder the punch.
I can throw my fastest punch and break your nose and losen some teeth.
I can throw my hardest punch (which isnt as fast as my fastest punch) and break your nose, knock a couple of teeth back and dislocate your jaw.
Maybe i can do that due to baxing and martial arts training though.
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Jul 2nd, 2006 08:09 PM
jrodslam
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The past page or so has been trying to compare what boxers do to what would happen in comics. Simple physics of what boxers do? Force = mass x acceleration.
I wouldnt say that xmarks. Ever hear of George Foreman? Hes one of the slower heavyweights ever, but is easily one of the strongest.
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