Oh, he's most definitely inconsistent. Well, kinda. He's depowered now, so basically it's Classic Strange and Current Strange. At best, he's in Odin's category, indeed. But, unlike Odin, Strange has access to power that stretches across the entire multi-verse. The Darkhold isn't Strange's power, but he can still use it nonetheless.
Superman would rate as a fairly low level herald, maybe just above Nova. There is no way in hell he'd win even once against the highest rated herald.
Superman is just the Hulk with the ability to fly, laser beams and Captain Cold's friggin' ice gun. Nothing more.
Wait, is this set up like the Imperiex invades Marvel Earth fight? I mean, do they just show up and blast the shit out of the planet without warning? If so, they could probably pull it off(Spectre and the like wouldn't be hurt, but the planet, populous and the majority of the heroes would be toast).
However, if it's about the three of them trying to fight everyone, they don't stand a chance.
Oh then I could definately see them doing it. All three of them are capable of destroying a planet solo(though Thor would probably have to use a Godblast).
You have DC characters that could destroy planets solo, and there's more of them than they Marvel in this battle. I don't see them pulling a win unless Strange cast some type broken spell. But DC has powerful Magic users too, so even Strange won't be able to help.
You know, there's a whole thread to that subject that just got bumped.
No I meant if Marvel just showed up out of nowhere when no one was ready. In that case, yeah they could destroy the planet. I already said in a situation where they're trying to fight everyone on DC Earth they lose.
if you think strange can take the phantom stranger than u r a fool cuz the stranger is an abstract and that was while in DOV not even the spectre could kill him. and talking about feat it was the phantom stranger who first defeated elipso and trap him in the black diamond if u don't know elipso the wrath of God before the spectre replace him. another thing the phantom stranger is a member of the quintessence a group of five omnipotent beings as they are described in dcu. dr stranger defeating the phantom stranger is like saying stranger can defeat a full power galactus or infinity or eternity. The phantom stranger is deux en mechina in dcu and he is even fear by darkseid and is well respected by the endless.
Sigh, no....he isn't on par with most cosmics; including low level heralds.
Look at it this way, what powers does Superman have that AREN'T purely physical? He can punch, fly, blast, freeze and take hits. That's all. A Herald is all that and beyond. A herald is all of that PLUS mental, time control, illusion control, outward molecular control, reality warping, energy manipulation, life giving, healing others and things that boarder on mystical.
Superman just ISN'T on par. He's a flying, blasting, strong-armed brick. He looks all powerful because he's on Earth and he hangs with street level types. He seems all powerful because writers use PIS to make him out to be so gary sue it's sick.
What are any Phantom Stranger's best feats? Hell, Spectre couldn't kill tons of people, including BA and Zatanna. It was alluded to that e couldn't even hurt an Astral Form.
Name a Phantom Stranger feat and I'll tell you if Strange could pull it off.
Why are we assuming Spectre would even fight? He's the embodiement of God's/The Source's wrath- there really is no reason why God would be opposed to these three taking over Earth, the same way the Spectre just doesn't get involved when a standard villian tries to take over the world. I don't have scans for this, but if I recall correctly, when Crispus Allen was first learning to be the Spectre, he was shocked that they couldn't intervene to prevent a murder- God does NOT give him power to do that. The Spectre's power level is exactly however much is necessary for him to accomplish whatever God wants him to do- and absolutely nothing at all more, for any reason at all. Unless someone could show me why God would want to prevent this takeover, then I don't think the Spectre would be able to do anything to the Surfer, Strange, or Thor.
That being said, I still don't think they could do it. If they were actually attempting to conquer the planet, they would encounter waaaay too much resistance from way too many variations of powers.
the Phantom stranger defeating elipso a spectre level being and etrigon the demon. The stranger cannot used his powers to end a crisis directly because the higher authority won't allowed him and that is the only reasons he is not deuz en mechina. not unless he is attack directly
Dr. Strange, when he lost the patronship of the Vishanti for refusing to fight in the War of Seven Spheres, and before he tapped into the Gaien aura to power his magic, utilized (or at least understood how to) chaos and 'catastrophy' magic. Avengers/JLA showed how ENORMOUSLY powerful this kind of magic was in the DCU when the Scarlet Witch weilded it. Dr. Strange is clearly a WAAAY better sorceror than Wanda is, because she mostly realied on her mutant power as a backup to sorcery... and, so, wouldn't it be possibly for Dr. Strange to also be much, much more powerful in the DC Universe?
First post masterbruce says they are trying to take over the planet.Btw regarding strange if he was unable to stop Hitlers gun how is he going to stop RAGMAN a being totally made of evil souls.Plus Jakeem thunder would still defeat him.Thor and surfer are basically nullified during this event with strange being the only problem.Also isnt ion on dc earth at the moment?
Stop the Hitler's gun argument- It pierce Strange's auto shields while he was basically asleep. Strange with a day of prep throws up the shield of the seraphim and there is no way whatsoever a bullet, from any kind of gun, or any other attack for that matter, is getting through.
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