Application of chi is separate from the execution martial technique with derives from how skilled a fighter is.
In a training match. Awesome. Robin beat Lady Shiva in a training match. Are you going to have any counter points that are relevant or do you think you will continue braying about this training match that doesn't matter?
Wolverine didn't hit Shang-Chi because he wasn't trying to. It was a training match, he was there to learn to control his anger not to beat up Shang-Chi. Did you bother reading the book or did you get distracted by the pretty pictures?
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Application of chi is part of the techniques that utilize the technique to its maximum efficency, which distinguishes a skillful from a non skillful fighter. Robin was enhanced by a superdrug when he had the advantage on Shiva.....LOL. Yes he was trying too hit Shang. Prove it show a statement that Logan says he wasn't trying to hit him otherwise its just a another of your imaginary Logan wet dreams HA. The had a match without anger intentions it(Well Logan did in the end...ha) they didn't have gloves on and set up rules now did they....LOL.
Seriously he got owned by Shang in that match and he got owned by Danny and yet Logan is supposed to be superior to these A-listers.
That's not the Robin vs Shiva fight, nor am I talking about the time Robin poisoned her before they fought.
Shang-Chi edged out Wolverine in a irrelevant training match. Wolverine owned Shang-Chi in a fight. Iron Fist tossed Wolverine out a window 30 years ago before Wolverine because a 120 year old samurai super spy. Do you have an relevant points are you just going to concede now?
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LOL Robin poisoned her....LOL Lets see it then or the context of it, if its not that one. I have already proven you to be a liar.
Shang dominated Logan in a match. The training was the philosophy Logan got owned in a true match. No the difference. Shang straight up told him he was going to hit him and he did and Logan couldn't do a darn thing about it....Fact.
Ironfist dominated Logan fact. Logan does not have Shang's chi skills and could not even dream of doing some of Shang's techniques
Seriously your bias of Logan love has clouded severely and you should refrain from discussing Logan for a very long time. Start from issue 1 and come back to us in 80 years after much studies.
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When did you prove me a liar? All you have done is bray like a donkey and cite pointless examples of little to no relevance for a dozen posts. lol
Get a Robin appearance guide. Get a Shiva appearance guide. Cross reverence. Find the issue yourself.
Shang-Chi beat Wolverine in a training match. So has Storm. Both completely irreverent. Training matches have no baring on how a real fight would play out. Case in point Wolverine vs Shaing-Chi.
Iron Fist beat Wolverine with before he was developed as a character. Wolverine doesn't need Shang-Chi's chi abilities because he is a superior fighter. His application of technic is better than Shang-Chi's.
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Lying about Shang not hitting Logan lying about the Zaran reference and changing his words to suit your top tier illogical logic.
Seriously your credibility is severed.
Ah I see you can't even reference it so you just making stuff up again. I should have known you lack anything other then real substance for a debate, either way there match up is irrelevant towards our discussion. This isn't about Robin or Storm...this is about Shang Chi beating Wolverine in a "fight" match......more like dominated him. eh he still lost to Danny character development or not its continuity and Logan got owned.
Better application due to his power set /abilites that you think magically vanishes when Logan fights.........LOL
Shang-Chi cold clocked Logan, once the fight started he didn't hit him. Zartan said Cap was a better fighter, which is synonymous with more skilled... you just someone decided that it means he is better because he has a SSS and a shield.... which it doesn't.
Robin v1. Clearly you lack the comic knowledge to "debate" with me, why bother if you haven't even read essential reading of the someone as high profile as Robin? Christ.
Shang-Chi didn't beat Wolverine in a fight match. He beat him in a training match. It's completely irrelevant no matter how much you cry about it. Wolverine came to Shang-Chi to train, he didn't go to him to beat him up and get into a dick measuring contest, he didn't even attempt to attack him once. It was a training match, and you have nothing. So sad, why do you continue to embarrass yourself? Have some self respect and hold on to whats left of your dignity.
Danny beat Wolverine 30 years ago when about a dozen appearances and virtually no character development. You might as well be talking about year one Batman getting stapped by a hooker or shot by police officers, it is completely irrelevent. Try harder please.
None of Wolverine's abilities help him apply his technique better. He has a healing factor, claws and enhanced senses. Which one of those do you think came into play when he folded Shang-Chi like a napkin and pinned him effortlessly? He didn't get hit, the weren't fighting in a pitch black room where only Wolverine could see and his claws only came into play after Wolverine pinned him. There is nothing there but skill. Shang-Chi went into melee with Wolverine, and he wasn't skilled enough to compete, he wasn't skilled enough to be in the same league even.
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I'm not, but I've still read all his appearances... but hey I like to be knowledgeable about the things I'm talking about. Maybe you should give it a try? I think you'll enjoy not having to taste your foot in your mouth all the time.
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His enhanced stats.......LOL Again how conveniently you forget that. Not my fualt Shang has the skills to utilize chi arts and Logan isn't skillful enough to do so and his fast healing ability from that Shang hit that was for the fight as well and his enhanced durability....LOL.
Shang even mention accelarted healing abiity for Logan.
Logan is enhanced and you call yourself knowledgeable on Logan your making yourself look like a noob just like Logan did against Ironfist.
Shang dominated him in a fight match and Logan couldn't do anything. Danny did the same and this is the same guy who is above head and shoulders over guys like Shang and Danny.....ha!
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Good for your reading his appearances frankly that's not what at stakes and his match up is irrelevant towards the discussion at hand. But I will try to check it just to conclud if you have been lying more again.
Heck you do know Cap has defeated Hawk in past training matches repeatedly and shows that Cap is over Hawkeye and when the had a real match up in Hawkeye in blind spot 2.
Clint won the real fight. Does that mean Hawkeye is better....hell no. Training match do show a key of who's better(not pure skill mind you), plus Shang's training was more philosophical learning, while there match up was not-key difference. Too separate events taking place at the same time.
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You mean the enhanced stats which Shang-Chi also has?
Chi has nothing to do with skill, a character doesn't just become so skilled they develop chi. They mediate until they can use it. Darth Sidius' ability with the force has no correlation to his skill with a light saber. Wolverine can't use chi, but that doesn't effect his technique in throwing a punching. Martial artist are encouraged to develop and hone chi alongside their actually combat technique but they are two completely separate abilities. The Mandarin isn't uber skilled because he has chi, he is uber skilled and he has chi.
Wolverine is barely superhuman, the difference between him and Shang-Chi physically isn't enough to warrant Wolverine completely no selling him. The difference in attributes between Batman and Lady Shiva would be more drastic.
Shang-Chi beat Wolverine in a training match. Iron Fist beat Wolverine 30 years ago when he had about a dozen appearances. You have nothing.
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Clint beat Cap because of PIS. It happens sometimes not much you can do about it but that doesn't chance the fact that training matches are irrelevant. They are no indication on how a real fight would play out because one party is trying to teach, and other part is trying to learn. They aren't going full boar and trying to beat each other. When Panther beat Cap, Steve told him right to his face that in a real fight that isn't what would happen. Training matches, sparing matches and fights where one party his mind controlled are completely and utterly irreverent.
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LOL at Shang having enhanced stats. Sure through incredible skills that Logan isn't up to par with....yes. Your logic is so obsolete its terrible. Shang has chi through uber skills. It takes skillful practitioners to learn to use it especially with certain techniques with offense/defense. Logan is not at that level.
Shang no selled Logan and Danny dominated Logan.
Seriously you don't have much and your logic is completely illogical.
The fact that you are ignoring Logan's stats proves that you can't distinguish his abilities well.
Shang is more skilled then Logan.
Danny is more skilled then Logan.
Elektra is more skilled then Logan..
Daredevil is more skilled then Logan.
Logan better be thankful he's a mutant with powers even Deadpool gave him a thrashing when Logan lost his healing abilities.
Chi doesn't make someone a more skilled fighter, it makes them a chi practitioner, the two are mutually exclusive and develop separate from each other. Shang-Chi amps his stats with chi, Psylock amps her stats with tk... it doesn't make her more skilled combatant. Shang-Chi's ability to amp his attributes with chi is not an extension of his skill as a fighter, it is a separate ability. Plain and simple.
Shang-Chi didn't "no sell" Wolverine. Wolverine didn't even attempt to hit him. He hit Wolverine in the face twice after Logan got cocking, then Wolverine blocked all his attacks until Shang-Chi made him lose his footing on the edge of a building. Awesome. Shang-Chi won a completely irrelevant training match, you get Obama on the phone and I'll see what I can do about the parade.
Wolverine is more skilled than Shang-Chi.
Wolverine is more skilled than Iron Fist.
Wovlerine is more skilled than Daredevil.
Elektra and Wolverine are about equal.
Deadpool only managed to "give Wolverine a thrashing" because he himself had a healing factor. If he didn't Wolverine would have killed him in the second panel...
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Yes a chi user who did it by learning and practicing it through there techniques. It's a a technique that can be learned just like the vast many other techniques in martial arts. Psylock has actual powers unlike Shang. No the difference. Shang even blocked a class 60-70 punch through his chi techniques. Logan is below his skill and the fact that you argue it is not even realistic. Shang had the edge I'm glad you agree. The training wasn't the fight but the philosophy of it big....big difference.
Exactly DP had a healing factor and Logan didn't. Advantage DP because he could heal.........and Logan could not at the time. Thats exactly my point accept against Logan vs his A-list peers.
Now apply this to Logan and his powers/adamantium against his street.
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