She was able to while going all out able to defeat a holding back wolverine, which is completely irrelevent, becuase he not be holding back in forum match.
We know Echo got a win over Wolverine in h2h by copying Daredevil and Bullseye's fighting style.
-Shadowland DD tanked getting stabbed, overpowered Wolverine and hit him through a stone pillar.
-Daredevil has better senses than Wolverine baring his sense of smell which has no actual use in a fight anyway.
-Wolverine was only ever able to keep up with DD while he was slowed down with his armor costume.
-Daredevil could even predict when Logan is going to pop his claws by listening to his body.
context pls the response was to the person who said that Daredevil is faster then wolverine. my scan was to show if Daredevil could duplicate the blitz defensive maneuver that logan showed with x-23.
@ sasuona
Echo did not beat wolverine, her h2h skills are not even close to logans standard feat scans not close by a mile. best she got were some hit and if it were a point system maybe she could score enough to win. the fight on panel ended before Logan started fighting if Echo not surrendered in the next panel b/c she realized who he was when he popped his claws she would have bn dog food.
you are sh#$ talkin about a guy who can take over a thousand hand ninjas with only one hit... who has fought Ogun, stick and other various masters and won.
Yes. And you failed to provide the context that X-23 actually beat Wolverine in that fight you referenced. I provided it. And now somehow... if Wolverine loses a fight, he actually wasn't fighting to begin with and therefore it doesn't count as a loss.
you just made that up completely. All she was able to do was get him angry. So now getting some one angry equates to winning?
Yea and I showed a scan of wolverine going through several pillars then getting repeatedly getting hit by class 100 and not going out. It was a plot device that the stone pillar happen to fall on him.
actaully it can be he used it to tell of attacks before they occur quite a few times. I also shown a scan of wolverine already sensing an attack before it occurs.
wolverine has never once had trouble keeping up with DD. In fact I even posted a feat of speed for wolverine which I notice you never matched, but simply sent irrelevent red herring which were not the least bit comparable.
You keep making up bogus claims that somehow Echo isn't comparable to Wolverine in H2H when its shown that all she had to do to incapacitate him was copy DD and Bullseye's moves.
The fight in question we even see him hit the ground. Everything after that is wolverine attacking her and not being able to put her down.
Her later realizes shes hallucinating, so he pops his claws to show her hes not an animal.
If Echo could beat Wolverine when she was disorientated and had been fasting for 4 days. Shes obviously above him in H2H.
hahaahahah this is just laughable, I going to destroy your entire arguement, whats even worse, is your not even reading the comic correctly, but don't worry I make so to go in detail later when I make the full response, but it may be a bit.
I can imagine David Mack's art must be hard for you to interpret but going from straw man to straw man after you keep getting called out on being wrong in this thread isn't helping you prove anything.
Anyway
-So I bring up the fact that Echo incapacitated Wolverine while using DD and Bullseye's moves.
which is true seeing as we see him hit the ground after this was stated.
-Wolverine gets up and gets serious trying to put her down.
-She makes more comments about Wolverine's fight style
-makes a comment about seeing his breath and him getting slower
-Wolverine pops his claws cause he can't handle her in H2H
You say I'm not reading the comic correctly but when you won't even acknowledge that while Echo was disorientated and fasting for 3 days Logan still couldn't put her down with h2h this claim is just laughable.
The point about Echo beating Wolverine is sound because in the end he couldn't handle her in H2h and had to pop his claws.
Last edited by SasuOna on Oct 20th, 2010 at 12:40 AM
cant believe someone can lowball a character to the point they think a olympic human is equal to a superhuman with hyper reflexes and century of skill but i'll bite.
i shouldnt have to this but whatever and i didnt post his solo superhuman team fights which would be an excellent display of speed, agility and fighting skills
Out of everything you posted which amounted to nothing but speculative aim dodging feats and faster than the eye can see movement.
This is probably the only instance of a true speed feat from Wolverine and even then I consider it an out-lier/aim dodge feat because we know Bushwacker started shooting while Wolverine was already moving making the fact that Daredevil commenting on Wolverine dodging said bullets all the more questionable, not to mention this is hardly a consistent feat from him.
Wolverine analyzing Shogun a piece of his soul possessing his skills and abilities trying to explain his speed. Wolverine relies on his senses as well as his training. http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/...a2mp9_super.jpg
in all cases it comes down to timing unless you think they are all capable of near short of mach speed.
its not that bad. logan has it the worse they turned him into a measuring stick that his winning record has dropped massively this past decade, i could swear they treat logan like a red headed stepchild.
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