I made the Eternity comment, due to what you'd posted earlier in this thread.
He owned Ares with tech, and very careful planning well in advance. He struck when he knew Ares would be vulnerable, so its a prep feat, not an internal power feat.
He possesses the energies of countless unknown, no name Pantheons, and was wary of going against DC Odin in head to head battle.
Him possessing the ALE, is as relevant as Thanos wielding the IG. Its an outside powerup, no more, no less.
I own the Seven Soldiers mini, all of them.
If its actually Darkseid under his own power creating true blue alternate realities, then i'll concede the fact.
But it could also merely be Morrisonish tripe, where its a whole bunch of ill defined wannabe metaphysical bull, such as the Phoenix rewriting the universe hype.
I'd hold my tongue on the mini, if i were you.
Wait until the New Gods project hits the stands, before making concrete statements.......
Thats what NvrHdCle and Jesse7 do, and they're generally disregarded.
BECAUSE ****IN RETARD JEPH LOEB WROTE IT!!!!!
I think Dc has fired him because he screwed up a lot of things there. That is why he works for Marvel now.IIRC
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Because it was written by Jeph Loeb who plainly attempts to characterize Darkseid as Class 80 brick who can shoot laser beams out his eyes occassionally.
Canon can be disregarded if it doesn't match up with continutity. Such as Black Panther.
Canonically, White Crown Phoenix was supposed to be in the top five of the most powerful beings in Marvel. Until Mr. Master deconstructed it to the bare bones showing how it's false and doesn't make sense.
And we all agreed.
I've already shown evidence and a timeline that shows where, why and how Darkseid resorted to using an avatar. Darkseid NEVER left the Source. EVER. If he did, the multiverse would literally implode.
By YOUR rights, Darkseid left the Source off-panel, somehow, to make the Source inbalanced and the multiverse is fine for some reason.
Bullsh**.
Highfather and Darkseid were both needed for the Source to stablize. If they were to leave, the Source would spiral out of control.
And you STILL haven't answered why Darkseid is suddenly a black kingpin?
If you have the Seven Soldiers Mini, I shouldn't have to convince you. Read the last issue. What's the creepy looking mass of energy that kinda looks like Darkseid hovering over his avatar?
Also isn't it hypocritical not to mention plain stupid, to disregard all OTHER canonical references made in this thread including Morrison and yet use Jeph Loeb's comics as paramount canon evidence?
Jeph Loeb's canon>>>>>everyone else's canon for the last 20 years?
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I'm not saying that Loebs canon supercedes everything else.
What i'm saying, is that it has to be weighed in, unless a change is written in, ie a retcon.
Canon showings make up the continuity strand. Thats what continuity is.
Darkseid has always been more powerful than Superman clearly, until Apok Now where he stated that Superman had grown stronger, and Superman proved it by reflecting the OE.
A shitty comic, full of wank and stroking but it happened and stands in continuity.
And for the record, Darkseid has been an above the top tier brick with glorified laser beams for a long time now. ITs not merely Loeb not doing his homework. ITs many writers not caring. Sad but it happens.
I'd think after the events of IC, its clear that the multiverse isn't fine. MAtter of fact, DC hasn't had an official multiverse for decades.
And for the continuity thing again, its foolish to pick and choose what showings count, when all happen within a canon comic. Picking and choosing is what Nvr does.
As a fan of Thor, the bullet thing pisses me off, but it happens and must be weighed upon.
Darkseid was shamed twice in recent memory, and finally destroyed the Fourth World with the help of the ALE.
Why is he a black kingpin?
The analogy is simple to me.
ALE = Control of everything.
Kingpin = Control of everything in a certain area.
He destroyed the Fourth World, and as the New Gods are representatives of some such conceptualizations of humanity, the logical place they end up, is the place where they're created, or given manifest.
The black kingpin thing, along with Orion being a boxer, some others being in wheelchairs and just down on their luck, is because Morrison is trying to write them as something else. The New Gods we've seen all these years are mere flesh suits, and change by the tides.
It was said on panel that the only reason Superman didn't get erased was because he was protected by the Source (the only way the OE won't work).
Superman's durability had nothing to do with not losing to the OE.
And know that by definition of the erasing OE, it only affects material substances (not energy). This is why it can be deflected by HV or other very strong energy.
And another thing. DC tried to explain that DD is immune to all energy projection (in his second battle with the Radiant). I assume when he lost to the Radiant and came back to life that he evolved to tap energy from the Source. Either that or he instantly evolved to tap energy from the Source the moment the OE struck him. The latter makes him very scary indeed.
There's a difference between picking and choosing canon feats that don't make a heap of sense, have to do with the character's history and continuity and picking and choosing feats that clearly do.
If you want to use bullsh** low-end feats or bad writing on this forum as debating evidence be my guest.
The rest of us? Don't. We use high to middle end feats that match the character's powerset and history.
We disregard crappy writing. If you want to use crappy writing, than allow us to hand you some moist towelettes....
This isn't SHC, UniOmni....
Waitaminute. You're going to "weigh" in Thor's ability to be hurt by bullets....despite him surviving nearly anything that has come towards his path? Like a cobalt bomb exploding near his ankles?
It bears no weight whatsoever. Thor is bulletproof. You're going to accept that Thor ISN'T bulletproof because of one or two crappy showings of Thor NOT being bulletproof?
That's poor logic. We don't think like that. The majority of Thor's feats show that he's bulletproof and moreso. But you accept very lowend feats as acceptable?
In your mind, clearly, low-end feats with characters clearly have more "weight" on the scales than high-end, mid-tier feats.
TWICE?! My god. You're RIGHT! Let's completely disregard his dozens of other showings to suggest that these two showings are bullcrap and use them as acceptable canonical reference! What was I thinking?
Again. We don't think like that. Two bad showings that are crappy in writing have no bearing if the character has DOZENS of good showings that properly reflect his character.
And you're missing the point....
The Anti-Life Equation erases free-will and allows complete and utter dominance over persons he chooses. Like the New Gods. It's a glorified mind-control. The New Gods have forgotten who they are and Darkseid has erased all will from them so they only 'live for Darkseid".
It's more than a metaphorical prose. It's clearly showing that Darkseid has changed his avatar to suit his new needs and desires for power.
You haven't answered the question. You just skipped around it and alluded to the painfully obvious metaphorical devices in the characters. That much is all true. But you didn't explain HOW Darkseid turned black.
It's all made VERY clear in the last issue of SSOV. TRUE Darkseid was hovering over his avatar before he shot Mister Miracle with the avatar's version of the "OE".
The New Gods you've seen for years, are basically flesh suits that looked a certain way due to them constantly being in conflict with one another. They looked like warriors.
Now that the war has been decided, the Light Gods look like the defeated, ie those in the ghetto, and Darkseid and his crew look like the gang who controls the ghetto, only stereotypical.
He now looks more in line to where he's at right now in the scheme of things.
Gender: Male Location: Hiding from The Doctor, shhhh.....
The marvel scale doesn't quite work in DC, but True Darkseid is at around lower abstract level at best estimates IMO.
I actually liked Onslaught when he first showed up. Despite the numerous plot holes and a few highly questionable PIS moments, (like how the hell did they beat Onslaught when he turned into something like a Protoss Archon?!), I thought it was pretty well done. So when I heard Onslaught was coming back because of the ***** (aka Scarlet witch) ****ing with reality, I thought: "Sweet. Onslaught's coming back. Finally something cool after that HoM bullcrap." then I read the first issue of Onslaught Reborn.
WHAT THE **** WAS MARVEL THINKING!? They've ruined him. Onslaught used to be cool, he was badass. And yet, he has none of his personality, none of his cool powers, and he has to fight Franklin Richards, who he already took control of once? And when did Heroes Reborn reality come back? I thought that place disappeared. I'm about ready to put Jeph Loeb on the same shit list as Reggie Hudlin. Cause he's doing as much damage to Onslaught as Hudlin is doing to Black Panther, Storm and others. The only consolation is that Onslaught Reborn is an alternate reality. Whereas Hudlin's 'BLACK POWER!' garbage seems to be canon so far.....
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I'm about ready to put Jeph Loeb on the same shit list as Reggie Hudlin. Cause he's doing as much damage to Onslaught as Hudlin is doing to Black Panther, Storm and others. The only consolation is that Onslaught Reborn is an alternate reality. Whereas Hudlin's 'BLACK POWER!' garbage seems to be canon so far..... 
