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yungz22
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But notice the word you just used there. Persuade is different from manipulate.

seriously dude? persuasion is a form of manipulation

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Apr 25th, 2014 07:54 PM

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Manipulation is done without the person realizing it while persuasion is the act of convincing someone you are right.

Azula manipulated Ozai into thinking Zuko was a hero.

Azula persuaded Zuko to help her fight Aang and Katara.

See the difference?

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yungz22
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Manipulation is done without the person realizing it while persuasion is the act of convincing someone you are right.

Azula manipulated Ozai into thinking Zuko was a hero.

Azula persuaded Zuko to help her fight Aang and Katara.

See the difference?

Getting somone or a group of people to do or think what you desire them to is manipulation. Persuasion is a tool used to manipulate.

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Getting somone or a group of people to do or think what you desire them to is manipulation. Persuasion is a tool used to manipulate.

Doesn't matter. If Azula used her eiles against Sasuke, he would fall for it and never know.

Apr 26th, 2014 12:12 AM

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Is this a serious thread? Avatar blows Naruto out of the water.

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Is this a serious thread? Avatar blows Naruto out of the water.

Apr 26th, 2014 12:30 AM

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Doesn't matter. If Azula used her eiles against Sasuke, he would fall for it and never know.

I just said she could manipulate sasuke

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Apr 26th, 2014 01:16 AM

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I just said she could manipulate sasuke

I know... Sorry. I meant that in response to this:

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Originally posted by AuraAngel
Manipulation is done without the person realizing it while persuasion is the act of convincing someone you are right.

Azula manipulated Ozai into thinking Zuko was a hero.

Azula persuaded Zuko to help her fight Aang and Katara.

See the difference?

Whether or not Sasuke got persuaded or manipulated in one instance, he would fall for Azula's game. Sasuke is no more experienced than Long Feng, smarter than Sokka, nor does he have Toph's heartbeat a reading ability. She has been shown to deduce very subtle things in moments (examples: correctly declaring a prisoner not guilty or predicting any false trails the Avatar gang leaves). As far as psychological engineering goes, she is way out of Sasuke's league, much like how Itachi was.

She may not have anything he wants, but she isn't above blackmail, psychological warfare, bringing other people into her schemes, threats, espionage, the works. He'd be done for

Apr 26th, 2014 03:41 AM