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Its called "subconsciously" holding back. Superman consciously can't break those blocks.
I'm not denying that he does, I'm just stating that doing so in almost every circumstance makes no sense logically. Superman is famous for being the defender of those that can't defend themselves and being a champion of truth and justice. He has sworn to use his power to be a defender, not an executioner. That being said, think back to Hunter/Prey. There was a situation that involved Hank Henshaw launching missiles( in an effort to destroy the food supply of the citizens of Apokalypse) IIRC. He should've been able to stop those missiles without any collateral damage had he simply tapped his full potential. How do the citizens of Apokalypse benefit by Superman holding back and not using his full potential?

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Wait a minute. Didn't Superman lose his psionic abilities and his powers actually came from him instead of it coming from a psionic power source? This was confirmed some yrs back. How does the Superman fans not know this?


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Wait a minute. Didn't Superman lose his psionic abilities and his powers actually came from him instead of it coming from a psionic power source? This was confirmed some yrs back. How does the Superman fans not know this?


Explain yourself and The House of El will enlighten you.


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It's simple. You know that psionic force field that use to be around his body, protecting him from injury, he didn't have that anymore. You know the psionic powers he had that aided in him lifting things without it crushing under it's own weight, he lost that as well. All of his powers came from him/the sun (always came from the sun), he lost that psionic ability. His durability was his without aid, his strength, speed wad his without aid. Nothing was psionic about his powers during a certain time period/the end of DCU. Like I've said, can't believe the Supe fans are unaware of this.


You are conflating 2 ideas.

The tactile telekinesis concept was something Byrne attached to the characters to give a scientific explanation to his feats. In particular how he could stop buildings from falling without them crumbling under the stress or a plane without it folding up.

That is entirely different than the mental blocks that are being refered to here.


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You are conflating 2 ideas.

The tactile telekinesis concept was something Byrne attached to the characters to give a scientific explanation to his feats. In particular how he could stop buildings from falling without them crumbling under the stress or a plane

without it folding up.

That is entirely different than the mental blocks that are being refered to here.


You are correct. I was using them as one of the same. Please disregard, I just woke up.


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You are correct. I was using them as one of the same. Please disregard, I just woke up.


I absolve you of your offense against the House of El....

This time!


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I absolve you of your offense against the House of El....

This time!


Lol. I think you should join the 'gamma church'. It's becoming more powerful by the second.


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Lol. I think you should join the 'gamma church'. It's becoming more powerful by the second.


I hereby WITHDRAW your absolution!


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Off topic?


I thought your opening post was about, assuming he had dynamic strength, how much did he have.

Not if he had it at all.


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I thought your opening post was about, assuming he had dynamic strength, how much did he have.

Not if he had it at all.


Its pretty much the same argument


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Its pretty much the same argument


No, it isn't, and if it's the "whether he has it or not" one, I'm closing it because it would yield yet another shitstorm.


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No, it isn't, and if it's the "whether he has it or not" one, I'm closing it because it would yield yet another shitstorm.


Y? He has enough showings to warrant both arguments. Its kind of an open ended question. But the op acknowledges that he does im just curious as to his scale. His powers are more plot driven than any other character imo


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IIRC plenty of Superman writers have touched the subject.

I'll do some digging, there might be a few of them who did not touched the subject of his powers linked to his mind/psionics or what ever term people want to apply to it.

But a lot of them have indeed touched the subject at least when it comes to NE Superman.


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Y? He has enough showings to warrant both arguments. Its kind of an open ended question. But the op acknowledges that he does im just curious as to his scale. His powers are more plot driven than any other character imo


Having subconscious blocks (established in comics) prove his strength is dynamic.
We seen Superman go from not being able to hurt DD, seemingly using all of his might, to killing him in a few pages. This is at least a 5x increase due to changing his mindset. We see Superman go from fighting a probe for a long time, seemingly using all of his might, to one shotting them like they are fodder. This is at least a 10x increase.

Any low showings can be contributed to his mental blocks which eliminates any seemingly contradictions.


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Having subconscious blocks (established in comics) prove his strength is dynamic.
We seen Superman go from not being able to hurt DD, seemingly using all of his might, to killing him in a few pages. This is at least a 5x increase due to changing his mindset. We see Superman go from fighting a probe for a long time, seemingly using all of his might, to one shotting them like they are fodder. This is at least a 10x increase.

Any low showings can be contributed to his mental blocks which eliminates any seemingly contradictions.


That's ridiculous


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That's ridiculous
Well that's the way comics work. If a writer establish something in continuity then it is an official retcon. It was established and shown several times that when Superman releases the mental blocks that he increases his strength significantly.


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Y? He has enough showings to warrant both arguments. Its kind of an open ended question. But the op acknowledges that he does im just curious as to his scale. His powers are more plot driven than any other character imo


Because the last time it was discussed on the forum, it turned in to an absolute shitstorm, and I don't feel like having to referee it again.


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I'm not denying that he does, I'm just stating that doing so in almost every circumstance makes no sense logically. Superman is famous for being the defender of those that can't defend themselves and being a champion of truth and justice. He has sworn to use his power to be a defender, not an executioner. That being said, think back to Hunter/Prey. There was a situation that involved Hank Henshaw launching missiles( in an effort to destroy the food supply of the citizens of Apokalypse) IIRC. He should've been able to stop those missiles without any collateral damage had he simply tapped his full potential. How do the citizens of Apokalypse benefit by Superman holding back and not using his full potential?

You think I like this "mental blocks" BS? I don't, for the exact same reason you stated. Its canon though and it explains why Superman was so much weaker in Byrne era.


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