That's just it though, once he realizes how strong Hulk is and how he regenerates and keeps coming back, he loses his will. He DID use the heat vision and it DID pierce Hulk's skin, he just came at Gladiator anyway. How do you know it was 'a little?' He used it like he's used it before. He also used his superspeed to grab Hulk and fly into space, Hulk just thought fast for once.
All battles are pre-decided....comic books are like wrestling matches, they don't unfold as the writer and illustrator are working on it, lol.
Kallark can use his heat vision on levels above that of the heat vision he use on the Hulk.It's basically same level of Superman, 11,000 degrees F, that made Hulk ready to be put on the table for lunch.
The heat vision burned a hole in Hulk's chest. What level he used was not stated in the comic, but it was sufficient enough to do its job. Hulk just didn't care, he's come at someone plenty of times while being injured. He had his skin burned off entirely, heat vision wouldn't do the job whatsoever.
wrathofachilles: You make it as Hulk cannot be hurt...Clearly this comic came out after the Superman/Hulk battle just to try and "convince" the marvel fans that hulk would *pimp* superman in a "real" match...Did you see gladiator in that battle? He fought like a half-assed mindeless soldier....I mean this is a guy who punched planets in two, stand up without bugding an inch from a blow from juggernaut..Besides how in the hell did he know Gladiator's weakness to radiation!?..The writers fragrantly tried to show up Superman by making his marvel counterpart taste defeat with ease...
The bottom line fan-voted are not Superman came out on top, when people view Superman they will always "know" his power dwarfs that of the hulk..
Like I said earlier, 90% of Marvel fights are circumstantial, yeah the hulk was beating Gladiator in that battle but one can argue that if the hulk didn't "magically" stumble upon Gladiator's weakness then he would have been short.......
This comic is biased, Gladiator is levels above the hulk, juggernaut, and the Thing-like characters..Ripping stars to pieces, punching planets like the hulk punches bolders....standing in his superman-ish pose unmoved by a hard blow from the likes of the juggernaut....The hulk is NOT a better fighter than gladiator...he relys 80% on brute strength 10% luck and 10% Intelligence....Gladiator relys wholly on 20%strength, 20%will, 20% fighting ability, 20% intelligence, 20% self-confidence.....more of a level-headed fighter than that of the hulk...That fight was utter bullshit..
Glad's abilities we're barely stressed in those comics and it was clear that Marvel wasn't happy with the Superman vote....
If popularity decided the battle between Superman/Hulk...too bad...popularity decides "alot" of wrestling matches, comics, action movies etc....The fans won't have Superman lose to an somewhat-inferior being like the hulk...Yeah his strength is unlimited...so what...Superman has beaten plenty of enemies whom are invincible in some areas....Like I said Superman=>Gladiator>The Hulk....
I didn't 'make it' out to be anything. I never said Hulk couldn't be hurt. He can and has. He was hurt by Gladiator, but he beat him. The motivation of the writer makes no difference. It's a COMIC BOOK, these characters aren't real. If Hulk defeated Gladiator in a comic book, then that's the way it is. Gladiator often fights like a mindless soldier, he is not as clever as you may want to 'make it' out to be. Whatever the reasoning behind the issue, it happened that way. That's not to say it's impossible for Gladiator to win, not in any way. Of course Gladiator could win if they fought again, but the fact of the matter is he is not out of Hulk's league in any aspect. Not at all, and if you think otherwise you're gravely mistaken. Hulk is perfectly capable of 'punching planets in two' strength-wise. It just so happens he cannot fight in that way because he cannot travel through space. If you think that makes him significantly weaker than Gladiator from a strength-standpoint, again, you're gravely mistaken. Again, I don't care whether the fight was bullshit or not, there are countless bullshit fights in comic books, the fact is, they happened.
You're right, popularity decides a lot of comics. Case in point: Hulk vs. Gladiator.
i dont think you've stated a single fact yet...but your opinion is nice. Oh and when did Gladiator fight Juggernaut? I would like you to impress us all with your knowledge of comic books and tell us (it never happened). Its your opinion that Hulk relies on 80% brute strength, but since I dont think you have read many Hulk comics, your opinion doesnt mean much, along with the other "statistics" you stated. Im not saying Hulk would easily dispatch Gladiator...I have already stated that classic Gladiator would have beaten Hulk...he would beat Supes, Thor, most of the Heralds too. However, I stated reasons why he would...I didnt spout out bias inaccurate nonsense. The fight was interesting...they did explore the different aspects of Gladiator's power. However, I think the fight would have made more sense if it were to last over a number of issues...although eventually Hulk would have been triumphant.
And btw, earlier you gave the hulk props on breaking onslaughts armor..well the onslaught "allowed" him to break his armor...the hulk had a "power-up" where Jean Grey turned off Bruce Banners mind allowing him to break through the armor...Onslaught wanted to get out of his armor to become pure psionic energy...Its not like the hulk got pissed rushed an unsuspecting onslaught and wail upon him, if onslaught didn't desire to become pure psionic energy the hulk couldn't of gotten near him.........
The hulk lost to Apocalypse, Thor, The Beyonder, Silver Surfer, Abomination, and not just "ordinary" losses but degrading ones in which his blows bearly phased them.....Gladiator is around "their" kind of power...
That wasn't a power-up. That was his own power, Jean just turned off his mind. She didn't give him power that wasn't already innate. It also makes no difference whether Onslaught allowed him to break the armor or not, the fact is, nobody else could do it. You can allow someone the opportunity to do something but if they are not capable of achieving it then it does no good. Only Hulk COULD break Onslaught's armor, thus why he did it makes no difference. And Hulk's blows have always phased his opponents, regardless of a win or loss. He has lost to Thor and also won against him, knocking him out. I say that's phasing him...
Of course he lost to the Beyonder, he's the damn Beyonder for f*cks sake, lol. And no, Gladiator is not on his level, and I'd like to see anyone tell me how he is.
And, Juggernaut and Gladiator have never met in the comics; continuity, What If's, wherever. THat was simply the cartoon, which holds no water on here, the same with any cartoon, no matter how amazing the feats the characters do are.
Whether Onslaught wanted Hulk to break his armor or not, no one said it was his intention, not even him...that is your own interpretation...I would just call it irony. It didnt look like Onslaught was just letting heroes through his force field to try and break his armor...so that leads me to believe he didnt want to go toe to toe with the Hulk. Power up? WTF r u talkign about? That was not a power up, that was savage Hulk...the same Hulk we see in 80% of Hulk comics...just plain onld classic Savage Hulk...Hulk clearly said "Hulk Smash!" and "Hulk is the strongest!"...if u were thinking of Mindless Hulk, ur wrong, considering Mindless Hulk has no mind and cannot speak words. So Hulk's blows barely phased Apoc, Thor, Silver Surfer, and Abomination?...hmm pleasae show me where a pissed off Hulk punched any of these guys and they were barely phased. Hulk literally shattered Abomination's face i their last two encounters. He has trashed Thor on more than one occasion. Professor Hulk encounterd Apoc but there he wasnt mad and there wasnt really a fight...Silver Surfer has fought him but found himself at a disadvantage in a physical confrontation, escaped by flying away, then returned only to absorb gamma radiation until Hulk calmed down back into Banner. And the Beyonder? the Beyonder was portrayed as the most powerful omnipotent cosmic force ever when he encountered Hulk...and he even said that Hulk was infinite power and reminded him of himself...what is the point u r trying to make with this?...Gladiator is vastly different than all of these characters and cannot be compared in a fight with the Hulk.
Yeah Professor Hulk got his ass kicked on a regular basis, you can't use him in a debate. He was more of a Spidey-esque wiseass than the top strong-man in the MU.
I know Beyonders strength and my point was that people always seem to fall on the fact of Hulk's indestructable factor, or his infinte strength factor, I wanted to show that the Hulk CAN BE BEATEN despite having these advantages...If Thor, Silver Surfer, Abomination can do it on some occasions then why can't Gladiator/Superman?....
Yeah the hulk broke through Onslaughts armor, after Onslaught "ALLOWED" him to do it, and with Jean Grey's HELP(the hulk can't control his own powers, more of a spontaneous kind of thing), yeah the hulk has immense strength, hell I'll be the first to admit he's Marvel's "Strongest" character...but that doesn't make him the most powerful...like Wynddar stated, he's the top "Strong-guy" nothing more..
The strongest version of the hulk is THE quintisential embodiment of strength in the marvel universe..but Onslaught could have easily disposed of him if he wanted to in that battle if not for his wanting to get out of his armor...
wrathofachilles: You seem to be at a contradiction, you argue the point that the Superman/Hulk comic is unofficial and biased bullshit, yet you NOW state that whatever happens in the comics HAPPENS, no matter how stupid, biased, or idiotic the writers decisions are..Like you said it's a COMIC book these characters aren't real so who's to argue that the Superman/Hulk battle wasn't real...You!? What WOULD make the Superman/Hulk battle real? The writers getting together and saying in the comic book...THIS IS THE OFFICAL BATTLE, how dumb is that..You severe comic geeks always try and "intellectual" something that's so remarkably simple...You bend facts in your favor ALL THE TIME...
Why can't we use Professor hulk in this debate??? Who's to say that we can or can't? Since we're deciding on which "ERA" of characters we can choose from them I can simply say Classic Gladiator ownz ANY hulk, you even said yourself that classic gladiator can beat the hulk...You act as if the hulk can turn on Prof hulk or Savage hulk like a switch...its SPONTANEOUS so if gladiator catches hulk while hes Prof hulk, his ass is grass....
And yes, I do use the cartoon for some reference, so what??? You guys act like the cartoon strays SO FAR from the comics that its downright idiotic to use any reference in them....Last time I checked the cartoons used 80% of the comic storylines in THE ACTUAL cartoon...and even if the cartoon strays too far, they dont stray far enough to the fact that their just downright not credible...I mean its not like the cartoons allow to impossible to happen (i.e. Wolverine pulverizing magneto or juggernaut)..My point is the cartoon although not 100% accurate never stray TOO far from the comics..
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True, they use most storylines, but they usually do stray from what actually happens, or would happen. I mean seriously, Gladiator not moving an inch from a straight on punch from Juggernaut? He good, but not THAT good. But to take that punch, then a few episodes later have trouble fighting Rogue, ROGUE of all people. Rogue's not even in Juggernaut's league, yet she could easily do what he couldn't? I don't buy it, and no one else does. I do wish I could remember more X-Men episodes, or even Spider-Man Episodes, where something happened that shouldn't have. For example, the symbiote didn't make Spider-Man stronger in the mainstream right? I'm asking cause I've heard it but don't know much about it. Anyways, if that's true, then why is he shown nearly outmuscling Rhino in one episode? Or, I could go across to some DC cartoons, like Teen Titans. Slade (a.k.a. Deathstroke the Terminator) attempting to take over San Francisco, destroy the Titans, and make Robin his Protege. Last I checked, he had to desire to take over anything, he's simply trying to do the job that his dead son couldn't and kill off the Titans, although he's teamed up with them at times. I know I've strayed off the subject, and this probably just sounds like a bunch of bull to you, but it's hard to compare cartoons to mainstream comics. Although entertaining, they usually do have them do things you wouldn't see in the mainstream. It's like comparing to alternate universes, or some What If's (i.e. Punisher kills the Marvel Universe). That's just how I see it though. And no one's denying that Hulk can be beaten, it's happened enough times for us to know. And yeah, Gladiator could beat him, that specific episode just wasn't his day to do so, although there was a good bit of PIS and CIS involved.
So do I. Hes near invunerable, incredibly strong, incredibly fast, hes got that heat vision, he can fly and I believe he has that breath thing. Basically the writers just dont want hulk to lose. If Gladiator is so much faster how the hell does hulk beat him anyway? Plus hes got additional powers beyond just being strong.
If it was written the way it should be written, Gladiator would win.
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