That's just it. Since OMD I think that very well may be the case.
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I wouldn't call it PIS. He demonstrated what he's capable of doing when he absolutely needs to. He wasn't going all out against Wolverine. IIRC that was the first time Spider-man tried to use his organic webbing in a such way.
Why do you think it's PIS?
Funny, I've seen people label that feat as a 100 ton feat
Trust me, he definitely has loads of feats that would have put him way past the "15 ton" mark. Now my point is, Sabretooth fights Wolverine most of the time, and he's supposed to be class 20? 10 times stronger than Logan? I don't really think so.
How come Wolverine has fared, let alone beat Creed so many times? If Creed's supposed to be better almost every way (Ten time the strength? Faster?) Creed's claws would really f*ck Wolverine up.
That's true. You peaked my curiosity, who has Wolverine physically overpowered who's stronger than him?
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I would. It was Extemis Iron Man for god sakes. The suit has Spidey's moves on file, faster reflexes and pwned Spiderman during the whole Secret War debacle without even trying several times over.. Even if for some reason his webbing was strong enough to hold IM immobil. How the hell is webbing supposed to stop his chest cannon from firing, or stop him from emitting a pulse, thrusters, or his repulsor's? It shouldn't and it WAS PIS.
Would these be the same people who seem to think street level characters can't even touch Spiderman? He was supporting a broken support beam there's no way to possibly tell how much he was lifting there. But as I said before, even if you want to give that feat class 100 credit it's an outliner not a standard. And we're talking in less than 1% of his feats.
Cause he was above class 15. Probably about 20-25 but that's not the case anymore so it doesn't matter. Not that it would matter if he DID have that strength in this fight anyways.
In any case, your point is skewed...
"Wolverine holds his own because Sabretooth isn't really trying to kill him. Sabretooth has ulterior motives concerning Wolverine and more often then not he just likes messing with Wolverine's head. Who's seen Sabretooth go balls out in a fight? He is usually just messing around. He is constantly toying with Wolverine in fights, its like he doesn't even take Logan seriously."
Doesn't help now knowing that Sabretooth wasn't even allowed to kill Wolverine since Romulus was barking orders at him.
On top of that the only time Sabretooth was ever near all out with Logan was when he had his humanity stripped away from him... and what happened? Wolverine got put down in 5 panels.
And what does Sabretooth's strength matter in a fight with Wolverine anyhow? They claw the crap out of one another, they don't try to match brawn. Puma didn't fair any better I guess he's not super strong either.
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I see. If he tried to do the same thing in a forum match, against Iron man, Iron man could get through it, but it did demonstrate that Spider-man could produce ridiculous amount of webbing.
It would work against Sabretooth. Do you think Sabretooth wouldn't get caught in that amount of webbing? Do you think Sabretooth could escape after he has been webbed up?
I guess they shouldn't be able to touch him based on his powerset and feats, but it happens. I'm not sure who tries to claim that Spider-man is unhittable, but I think it's the same with people who claim that Wolverine cannot be KOed.
It's not like Sabretooth doesn't have any low end showings either.. Remember the Humvee incident?
It's definitely more than 50 tons, but like you said, it's not a common feat for Spider-man.
I don't like to use classic/one more day Spider-man because I don't really think he stands a change against Victor.
The reason why I even brought up Spider-man's strength level, because you and others stated that Sabretooth's strength level rival's that of Spider-man's..
SPIDER-MAN WOULF LIKE TOTALLY BEAT SABRETOOTH IN A ARMWRESTLING CONTEST! @%¤#!
I agree that Sabretooth is arrogant and usually underestimates Wolverine and those factor a lot, but what about times when he was "serious"? Like when he had to duel against Wolverine for the role of Death, he really wanted that gig...
I've yet to actually read that arc.. I haven't received the issues yet :/ Has it been explained why Sabretooth lacks adamantium currently?
Yes it does... He needs to apply pressure if he wants to rip chunks out of Wolverine, the stronger he is, the bigger pieces he can claw off. Remember what he did to Maverick?
He didn't really fight Puma tough. I can't find the comic at the moment, but he did KO himself into a electric fence if I'm not mistaken.
Stiltman: When did Wolverine overpower Rogue? And it wasn't shown how he got out of the grip of Ursa Major, he could've elbowed him or something
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About Ursa Major... yeah, we don't know how Logan got out of his grip, but he threw him out of the fight for enough time, you can't deny that. Ursa Major didn't even bother getting up before Collective appeared.
So you understand that it's illigitimate forum evidence but still want to use it on the forum.
Look one of the reasons it's stupid is due to the fact that so much of it came out too fast for Iron Man to even begin reacting to. Do I even need to begin telling you how many people without his suits reflexes, sheer speed, and precognitive files have been able to react to his webbing before it even touched them, or reacted fast enough after he shot them with it to continue pressing an attack? The feat was ridiculously not well thought out.
Can Spiderman shoot loads of webbing out in a small fraction of time? Of course he can, no one said he couldn't. Could he do that to someone who has the speed of Extremis during a fight?
And you can assume that he wasn't trying to web Wolverine up "as much" or "as fast" but there's really nothing that dictates he can control the speed it comes out at to such a degree and he was continuing to spray Logan when Logan pressed his attack...
There's nothing definite about it. You can't clearly see what amount he's actually lifting, or lifting by himself. And I'm not talking about low end incidents. There are shitloads of incidents where Spiderman has trouble applying his strength to something well below 50 tons, or is being overpowered by characters well below 50 tons and their not low end, they are in a consistent range. You can't take one example of him supporting part of a building with no definite proof as to how much and state he's a 50 ton lifter it's simple as.
Going by feats, and statements I fail to see where this comes into question. Spiderman may or may not be stronger than Creed, but it shouldn't matter since they'll be in the same tier regardless.
He still wasn't serious..
Nope, everyone's best guess is M-Day.
No it really doesn't. When your blades are as sharp as Wolverine's or Sabretooth's there's only so much pressure you can apply with them to result in their maximum effeciency that's really all there is to it. A guy of Wendigo's size and a quarter of his strength would still take the same amount of flesh with a claw slice that Wendigo does with a human body.
He and Puma exchanged blows... while he was poisoned. Then he started to let Puma attack him so he could draw him into the fance. Puma couldn't put him down with free blows. He faired worse than Creed has so he must not have superstrength.
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It was clearly implied that he over powered Ursa Major, not even sure how it debatable and on top of that his arms were pinned there no way he elbow him with out break Ursa Major gripp, which would mean he over powered Ursa Major anyways.
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I think Spider-man beat Spiral with his webs.
I'd be real difficult to stay out of harms way here.
Still if he could take out Spiral he could take out Sabretooth.
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